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Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8250
Presidential Executive Order Amending Executive Order 13223
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What this means is simple:

Section 1 of EO 13223 allows the president to order any ready reserve into active duty for up to 24 months.

Sections 3 and 5 of EO 13223 provides a mechanism to, among other things, "recall any regular officer or enlisted member on the retired list to active duty and to detain any enlisted member beyond the term of his or her enlistment."

That EO, signed by Bush while the World Trade Center was still smoking, has never been rescinded.  The Authorization to Use Military Force, which Obama repeatedly asked Congress to review, revise or rescind, continues to remain in force.

The consequence of this is the ammendment to 13223 signed into law by Trump, extends the state of emergency and allows the federal government to recall into service any "retired member of the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, or Regular Marine Corps."

Section 690, US Code 10 (which is now being overridden) limits the number of retired officers who can be pressed in to service.  This EO amendment does away with that.

Section 688, US Code 10 (which is now being overridden) stipulates the authority to order retired service members to active duty.  This removes the limits on time people can be pressed in to service.

Unlike Bush, whose executive order forced service extensions on soldiers already serving when 9/11 happened, Trump is giving himself expanded power to recall people who have served in the military in the past, provided they are younger than 60 years old. For these reasons, some people (myself included) are interpreting the text of this EO as evidence Trump wants to go to war and wants to make sure no military personnel who has retired, or who intend on soon leaving can leave.

The man is preparing for a war with massive casualties.

  • ksen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8251
No one supports the troops like Trump does.

  • ksen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8252
For example:

Gold Star widow: Trump couldn't remember my husband's name. Trump: she's a liar.

See? Now what other Commander-in-Chief would treat a soldier's widow like that?

  • Doobie Keebler
  • Ridiculous Callipygous
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8253
So about that whole "why the fuck has Trump and administration been so silent" thing. I haven't seen what Maddow presented the other day but apparently she pointed out, and some of this I picked up elsewhere, that the Commander of the troops in Niger was trying to get more support out of Congress and apparently little come of it. Back in like March (or May, it was an "M")

Then, and here's the real fucking bullshit, it turns out that Chad had a bunch of troops in Niger that we'd been working with to combat Boko Haram in West Africa. In fact, Chad has been providing the greatest number of troops outside of the West to help deal with the problem in that part of the world.

So, what happened recently? Trump put Chad on his fucking travel ban list. I don't call which one of you it was, my apologies, but one us posted an article recently pointing out that it appears that happened over the lack of submitting a sample of their passport paper for evaluation that determines if it complies to newer anti-forgery standards. Seems they had run out of their supply and having problem sourcing more, or something. Anyway.

So, it seems (to me) that it was Trump's decision to add them to the travel ban that pissed them off and they in turn stopped cooperating with us and announced they were pulling troops out of Chad, in a place the US troops were already under supported, and that may have contributed to what happened in Niger.

Apparently Chad officials declined to respond when asked if the travel ban was the reason they were withdrawing. But, if that's indeed the case I think it would be a given that this administration wouldn't be all that keen on bringing up the subject. Especially since there's no doubt The Dotard's military advisors told him that banning Chad was a nonsensically bad idea (their reaction was reported on at the time) and this is likely why.

And so far, aside from three different conflicting reports that were coming out of the Pentagon about the rescue efforts, all I've seen is a "source says it was a massive intelligence failure". It doesn't take much to deduce that it probably doesn't help when your pals who live in the country right next door just pulled out of town and they're the guys who actually speak the local language(s) and whatnot and your enemy just got emboldened.

Keep in mind this is me relying on bits and pieces I've picked up the last few days and some speculation, so, there ya go.
"I'm over 70 and have never seen such , arrogance, incompetence and Ill -intentions as this President and his aids."    The Dotard     (posted 12 days after his 68th birthday)

  • meepmeep
  • Administrator
  • zombiecat queen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8254
It's my understanding that Chad's soldiers were fighting Boko Haram near the eastern border of Niger. The American soldiers were killed near Niger's western border with Mali, and a different group took credit for the ambush. I doubt Chad withdrawing forces had any effect on a group hundreds of miles away that they weren't even fighting against.

  • Pingu
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8255
Not a good look though,
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • ksen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8256
Let's not staff a White House with generals ever again

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Since Kelly's arrival, Trump has ignited explosive cultural confrontations, failed again to repeal Obamacare and looked thoroughly hapless in his inability to articulate or stick to any position for more than an hour or so. Trump blusters and threatens North Korea; he alarms European allies by threatening to trash the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Trump under Kelly's "day care" still has not filled a slew of top-level posts. Trump is not becoming more competent, more focused, more civil or more respectful of others under Kelly's tutelage. In fact, he's getting worse on all four counts. Kelly's eagerness to defend the president's unconscionable behavior and Kelly's own lack of respect for civilian politicians simply feed Trump's demons.

Kelly should be replaced by someone who actually understands democratic governance and can deliver bad news and honest criticism to the president. Going forward, Congress needs to stomp out creeping military authoritarianism. Congress should start by barring generals from acting in civilian capacities in the White House.

  • ksen

  • Doobie Keebler
  • Ridiculous Callipygous
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8258
It's my understanding that Chad's soldiers were fighting Boko Haram near the eastern border of Niger. The American soldiers were killed near Niger's western border with Mali, and a different group took credit for the ambush. I doubt Chad withdrawing forces had any effect on a group hundreds of miles away that they weren't even fighting against.

Right, I was basically aware of that but I wasn't trying to say that Chad's main force was directly involved in whatever happened. There's been more active logistical cooperation between the US and Chad than that, we've been actively training the Chad soldiers that were in Niger for example.

My speculation was based on the possibility that we may have had some reliance on them in a smaller role that supported intelligence gathering or linguistic interpretation of such materials. That wouldn't necessarily require any combat troops to have been physically embedded with the US forces.

ETA: Of course none of what I just said means my speculation is any less misguided.
  • Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 04:13:26 PM by Doobie Keebler
"I'm over 70 and have never seen such , arrogance, incompetence and Ill -intentions as this President and his aids."    The Dotard     (posted 12 days after his 68th birthday)

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8259
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8260
if we get through to the other side of this without nuking ourselves or whatever, i'm going to propose just not electing presidents since it seems like a useless position.

  • borealis
  • Administrator
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8261
I could not have imagined an American clusterfuck this enormous and this fucked up. And I have a serious interest in dystopian fiction.

  • ksen

  • ksen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8263
Trump Nearly Deported a Chinese Dissident -- at a Casino Magnate's Request

And what saved the chinese dissident from being deported?

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Those advisers eventually convinced Trump not to deport the Chinese dissident -- in part, by alerting the president to the fact that Guo was a member of his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida.

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In a perfect world, the American president would neither take foreign-policy advice from a casino magnate with ties to the Chinese government, nor give special preference to asylum-seekers who frequent his luxury properties. But sometimes, the next best option is, apparently, to have a president who does both.

:thisisfine:

  • Faid
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8264
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/23/16522456/trump-bartiromo-transcript

o my god
"OK, Mr. President, tell us how great your policies are. (Don't worry, I got your back)."

"I'm cool and awesome and I know all these cool people who are also awesome and like me a lot because I am awesome and cool!"

"...That's nice dear."
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

  • Faid
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8265
I could not have imagined an American clusterfuck this enormous and this fucked up. And I have a serious interest in dystopian fiction.
That's because reality has not simply turned into dystopian fiction- It's like dystopian satire.
Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8266
see Idiocracy

Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8267
idiocracy is gross eugenicist trash

Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8268
A lot of people are saying it's what plants crave.

  • ffejrxx
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8269
A lot of people are saying it's what plants crave.
brondo has what plants crave

and trump could use a day of rehabilitation

  • Pingu
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8270
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • ksen
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8271
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/356841-trump-corker-feud-reignites-hours-before-critical-meeting

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In an interview with CNN in a Senate hallway shortly after the tweets, Corker escalated his criticism, calling him a serial liar, saying he regretted supporting him for president, accusing him of debasing the country and refusing to say where he trusted Trump with the U.S. nuclear codes.

So far we have Corker and McCain talking like this about Trump. Will it embolden other Republican Senators to start speaking up too?

I'm pretty surprised Lindsey Graham hasn't joined in yet. He and McCain are pretty close and tend to join forces a lot.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8272
corker is retiring and mccain probably has only a few months to live.  they are the two with nothing to lose.  ....   you're seeing similar criticisms from some house republicans, all of whom happen to be retiring.

my read is that probably many other senate and house republicans feel this way (no way to be sure how many), but are keeping their mouths shut because their fortunes are still tied to trump's.
  • Last Edit: October 24, 2017, 08:16:58 AM by el jefe

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8273
idiocracy is gross eugenicist trash
dude, you're not supposed to see the idiocracy future as good. 

can't believe you didn't get that  ::)

Re: Trumpocalypse
Reply #8274
idiocracy is gross eugenicist trash and guapo sucks at lit crit