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Thermodynamics

The laws of thermodynamics cannot be violated, it's true. But what you're not taking into account is the massive regrowth capability of pasture like Joel Salatin's.

And you are not taking into account the massive regrowth capability of a bean field.

I'm sort of tickled by this quote from Salatin:

Quote from: Joel Salatin
We provide a habitat that allows each plant and animals to fully express its physiological distinctiveness--i.e. the pigness of the pig. In our Graeco-Roman western linear reductionist compartmentalized fragmented individualistic systematized disconnected paradigm, plants and animals are just inanimate piles of protoplasmic structure to be manipulated however cleverly the human mind can conceive to manipulate them. I suggest that a society which disrespects and dishonors the pigness of the pig to that extent will also view its citizens with an equivalent egocentric manipulative mindset--and other cultures. It's how we respect and honor the least of these that creates an ethical, moral foundation upon which we honor and respect the greatest of these.

Have you told him about your Goatschwitz?
It was inspired by him!
His chicken tractors are totally different and have a totally different role in his ecosystem.

Good God.
Nevermind.
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Mafia / Re: Trump Mafia Day 6
Gg timewave.
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Of course she will add that she is not trying to save the world like I claim to be, only that she is in favor of people doing these sorts of things that she advocates as opposed to my ideas.
What are your ideas again?
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/23/16520242/tony-podesta-mueller-investigation

How long until Trump starts praising Mueller and saying he was for this investigation the whole time?
What I don't get is why this is a bad thing. If there was damage coming from inside as well as outside that's even more of a case to poison Putin's food. Right?
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Russians are the current boogeyman flavor of the month. Not too long ago it muslims. In the not too far future it'll be a different group.

I don't believe the Russians are nearly as competent or resourceful as they are being made out to be.
The problem is they aren't being made out to be either. They are basically mason.
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He's raking it in on the merchandise end so he can afford it.
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Science / Re: Is This Ice?
Ice-9
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I keep hoping to see a post in the c14 thread. Oh well. Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.
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As an aside, I grew four heritage tomato plants in containers on my deck this summer. I ate them fresh every day for a couple months and now have ten medium bags of frozen blanched tomatos in the freezer. My labour included an hour of potting them up, watering them a few times in dry weather, trimming leaves when the fruits started growing, and picking them off the plants. Worth it.
I couldn't pick all mine this year because I went to Ireland but we ate them pretty much every day and I have 1, 8 oz jar shy of 2 gallons of tomato basil garlic parsley sage and thyme sauce jarred. All from the garden. Plus made raisins this year. Chickens have been in the garden cleaning it out every day  since i got back. The red one is molting at a sensible time this year. Usually she's bald for the December ice storms. I really love my garden. I let a lot of food rot on the vine this year and I've had other years like that but that's ok cause the grocery store is a 5 minute bike ride or a 20 minute walk.
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I have a compost turner for chicken poop but I just have a pile for the regular compost. I turn it once a year and use the bottom part in the garden.
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Yep, none of whom realize how insane they all sound at this point.
I don't think that's really a problem for any of us. Or, I mean we don't seem to personally feel any need to be self-conscious about it. After watching the same train wreck for ten years, there comes a point when you accept that you seem to enjoy this particular train wreck so you just go with it. The cart thread was like that for me. I saw it, got interested, saw the evidence, and didn't see the point in continuing but lots of others did. It's amazing you still have a crackpot there to stimulate the discussion but it's just a topic you all enjoy so the crackpot is just the medium for the conversation. It's a lot like staying in the Omelas I guess.
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Yes I know you don't claim to have a world saving plan. And that's fine. Not everyone is as ambitious  delusional  as I am.
fyp.

News Flash: 
You don't have a world saving plan, either.
no. But he has a world saving dream, and that's nice to have on those cold winter night with only lactating goats for company.
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Lol. I know how you feel. At this point that thread is more like a hangout for a long time group of regulars.
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I can't see this thread title without playing this whole skit in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuR0YztoT0I
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the method I'm using enhances pasture instead of depleting it.

This is one of your many assumptions, not something you actually know. You did not measure anything before. You are not measuring anything now. You are just assuming that pasture enhancement is happening, because you want it to be.

It is the basis of your entire approach. You want to believe something first. Then you go and look for anything that is compatible with that belief. These compatible facts get great emphasis, and are sometimes treated as proof that what you want to believe is true.

Whatever doesn't fit, you disregard or downplay. If necessary, you simply make up some imagined fact to explain an inconvenient non-compatible one: for instance, when your proposed expert on composting disagreed with what you wanted to believe, you conjured up a completely imaginary motive to explain that fact: he was probably just saying that to keep the naysayers happy and avoid lawsuits.

You do not follow the facts with an open mind and see where they lead. You assume you already know how things work, and that the process of learning is just a simple matter of retro-engineering the practical details.
And it's posts like this that cause me to shake my head in amazement that grown adults with advanced science degrees make these kinds of mistakes in basic logic.

First of all, EVERYONE - science degreed or not is affected by confirmation bias.  We must all guard against it.

Secondly, you are correct that "my system enhances pasture" IS an assumption - it's not something I've personally measured and verified - but what you are overlooking is that it is a well supported assumption, with the work of thousands of ranchers all over the world supporting it.

You aren't exactly doing the same thing those ranchers are doing. Anyway, c14?
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Science / Re: Direct Down Wind Faster Than The Wind
Quick summary...

Something like 8 or 9 years ago a ton of people told me my silly idea was wrong and couldn't possibly work.  It was up to me to prove it would.  I couldn't very well expect them to prove what they thought was insane.  So JB and I made some little carts and took video of them on a treadmill.  People had concerns about strings, magnets, wind in the room...  So we made a bunch of videos trying to illustrate that there was no funny business.  But there were still questions.  The whole thing was under our control.  There was no disinterested 3rd party.  What if Galilean relativity didn't hold true in my living room?

So we built the manned vehicle, worked with NALSA to get them to define a new record category, and we set upwind and downwind records with this thing on the playa.

Now someone else has a crazy ass theory.  And here's what he's done... he whines and bitches that we won't prove his crazy ass theory.  All it takes is a treadmill, a $40 cart, and a video camera.  I'm guessing someone must not be that confident in their crazy-ass theory.


This can be settled very easily. Look at a HFR video of the cart advancing on the belt.  You do not have the guts or the integrity to do that.

I gave you two experiments to do and two predictions. Stop pretending you didn't see that.


Heh. Seems like a lot of effort to be a physics Poe, but, did you actually read the post you just quoted?

Did you read it? Do you see anything about a HFR video in there? Do tell!

If spork was confident his bullshit was correct he would make the HFR video to prove me wrong.  He knows I am right.
he already proved you wrong with Blackbird you dumbass.
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Science / Re: Direct Down Wind Faster Than The Wind
Quick summary...

Something like 8 or 9 years ago a ton of people told me my silly idea was wrong and couldn't possibly work.  It was up to me to prove it would.  I couldn't very well expect them to prove what they thought was insane.  So JB and I made some little carts and took video of them on a treadmill.  People had concerns about strings, magnets, wind in the room...  So we made a bunch of videos trying to illustrate that there was no funny business.  But there were still questions.  The whole thing was under our control.  There was no disinterested 3rd party.  What if Galilean relativity didn't hold true in my living room?

So we built the manned vehicle, worked with NALSA to get them to define a new record category, and we set upwind and downwind records with this thing on the playa.

Now someone else has a crazy ass theory.  And here's what he's done... he whines and bitches that we won't prove his crazy ass theory.  All it takes is a treadmill, a $40 cart, and a video camera.  I'm guessing someone must not be that confident in their crazy-ass theory.


This can be settled very easily. Look at a HFR video of the cart advancing on the belt.  You do not have the guts or the integrity to do that.

I gave you two experiments to do and two predictions. Stop pretending you didn't see that.


Heh. Seems like a lot of effort to be a physics Poe, but, did you actually read the post you just quoted?
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the goats probably are fine. They'd browse if they could and play if they could once they had enough browse, and murder people just out of hatefulness if they thought they could get away with it. Which leads me to the real point which is that goats are sinners, evil nasty things, anyway and sending them to hell is doing them a favor.
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Processing shame is certainly an issue.  A friend of mine once said that embarassment was the most powerful human emotion, and the cause of the most trouble, including wars.  I think I agree.

And while I'm generally a gender-differences skeptic, I do think it's something that women, whether biologically or socially, end up dealing with better on the whole.  We absorb early on the social incentives to back down and make our proposals tentative, contingent and provisional.  So we tend to develop reasonably effective narratives for processing being wrong, or having our ideas rejected or ignored.   We also learn to get a kick out of seeing our ideas implemented, even when someone else takes credit. In fact, we often end up using it as a strategy to get things done.  We say things like "As Tom/Dick/Harry said, it would probably be a good idea if..." to get buy-in from Tom/Dick/Harry. 

Manipulative bitches ftw

But then we also tend to blame ourselves for the embarassing stuff that happens to us.  Which is why we end up with Harvey Weinsteins and Donald Trumps in positions of great power.
Well, there's difficulty processing shame and there is a point where it seems to cease being actually possible. It has to do with the way the self gets created in an environment with unhealthy levels of blame and Sandy Hotchkiss thinks it's a defense mechanism that can't be undone once it's been sprung.
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Always-About-You-Narcissism/dp/0743214285

Fascinating book. It may be pop Psy but it offered me a lot of perspective that I still keep in my ready to use tool box.
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I'm interested carbon 14 but it's a little hard to talk about c14 data when I'm pretty sure that labs are throwing out "bad" dates.

You fucking asshole, you know no such thing. You'll say any fucking thing, you'll believe any conspiracy theory shit, you will besmirch the reputation of anyone and everyone who doessn't deserve it, just to rescue your fucking childish myth because you are too much of a coward to look at the data objectively.

Do you even remember your gargantuan faceplant with the TARD graph?  No, I expect in your historical revisionist, bizarro narcissistic world, you were the hero of that tale too. Pathetic.

Grow up, and stop being an abysmal, lying, fearful fraud.

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Also, there's c14 in coal and diamonds. Why is that?

That goddamn PRATT again? Pay the fuck attention numbnuts, it's been explained to you lots of times already. It is not our fault that you have a dedicated, vested interest in remaining militantly ignorant. FFS.


to be fair, he doesn't understand what plot graphs are showing.

Except that he doesn't understand what plot graphs are showing because he knows full well that his YEC confidence depends on not understanding.

He may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but he's sharp enough to know when understanding something might force him to accept the unacceptable.
Well, the reason he doesn't understand them may well be that they don't look like he thinks they ought to look, but still, Morton's Demon is among the most powerful thought controlling functions ever encountered. My own hypothesis is that it's strength is inversely correlated to an individual's inability to process shame.
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I'm interested carbon 14 but it's a little hard to talk about c14 data when I'm pretty sure that labs are throwing out "bad" dates.

You fucking asshole, you know no such thing. You'll say any fucking thing, you'll believe any conspiracy theory shit, you will besmirch the reputation of anyone and everyone who doessn't deserve it, just to rescue your fucking childish myth because you are too much of a coward to look at the data objectively.

Do you even remember your gargantuan faceplant with the TARD graph?  No, I expect in your historical revisionist, bizarro narcissistic world, you were the hero of that tale too. Pathetic.

Grow up, and stop being an abysmal, lying, fearful fraud.

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Also, there's c14 in coal and diamonds. Why is that?

That goddamn PRATT again? Pay the fuck attention numbnuts, it's been explained to you lots of times already. It is not our fault that you have a dedicated, vested interest in remaining militantly ignorant. FFS.


to be fair, he doesn't understand what plot graphs are showing.
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I'm interested carbon 14 but it's a little hard to talk about c14 data when I'm pretty sure that labs are throwing out "bad" dates.

Also, there's c14 in coal and diamonds. Why is that?
What makes you "sure" of that? Scientific fraud happens but it is rare and cheaters get caught if people try to replicate their results, which, in a technology as ubiquitous as radiocarbon analysis, would happen. Anyway, you are wrong in a kind of dumb way and I don't even care to explain because it doesn't actually matter to the issue of the curves agreeing and I don't have the endurance I used to have.

And as for the questions, those are way down the line and are irrelevant to the first part of the conceptual issue. There are perfectly good explanations and all the examples found fit exactly in the tolerance range we would expect for those explanations, but it is utterly irrelevant to the point you don't understand other than that I couldn't possibly explain why if you don't understand what.

First thing's first, do you understand that Brown's curve represents testable predictions?
[Y]
[N]
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Use woven grass rope and wooden gears cut from your trees driven by a solar or wind generator.
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What a weird thing to want to be famous for. Or be willing to anyway. (Spencer that is)

I mean, does he really have the conviction of his cause like a xian at the Colosseum or is he just a spotlight whore/addict?