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Messages - Saunt Taunga

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Why bother?  You're not interested in truth.  It's more fun to just post a bit of reality now and then and watch you people screw yourselves into the ceiling.
Your picture of the chess grand master who thinks Trump is a dangerous moron was a fun bit of reality.
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Goat Rodeo


Speaking of Каспа́ров...
Donald Trump Has More Russian Connections Than Aeroflot
Quote from: Га́рри Ки́мович Каспа́ров
Trump is more outraged about the FBI investigating Russian interference in his campaign & the election than he is about the interference. Personal interest over national security.
Quote from: Га́рри Ки́мович Каспа́ров
Trump has criticized: Republicans, Democrats, the Pope, US elections, CIA, FBI, NATO, Meryl Streep.
Trump hasn't criticized: Vladimir Putin.
:hmm:
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Chess? That's not what Га́рри Ки́мович Каспа́ров sees Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin playing--three-dimensional or any other kind. But if they did sit down for a game, the former grandmaster believes the Russian president would obviously win.

"Both of them despise playing by the rules, so it's who will cheat first," Каспа́ров told me in an interview for POLITICO's Off Message podcast. "But in any game of wits, I would bet on Putin, unfortunately."
Га́рри Ки́мович Каспа́ров would like you to stop saying trump is playing 4-d chess
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Goat Rodeo


So why the picture of a former world champion chess who thinks Trump is the worst thing to happen to America in a really long time?
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Trump isn't a real business man.

Trump is going to start World War 3 with China.

Trump is going to piss off China and not be able to reduce the trade deficit.

Trump is not going to be in office in January of 2019 and will probably wind up in jail.

And last but not least... You can't raise goats and sheep in light gaps in the rainforest.

Oh my sides!
Leaving out the quotation marks is not going to convince anyone these are not fake quotes.

As for the "real businessman", would you not want your president to be at least a "good businessman"? Not just an imbecile asshole with an inheritance?
Why would you think I'm trying to convince anyone that they are real quotes? 

And if you don't think he's a good businessman, then you simply don't know much about being in business.
What would be the point of mentioning these things if nobody said them?
So you think someone with a long list of bankruptcies who cannot get a loan from a bank can be a good businessman?
Good enough to be president?
I don't.
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Trump isn't a real business man.

Trump is going to start World War 3 with China.

Trump is going to piss off China and not be able to reduce the trade deficit.

Trump is not going to be in office in January of 2019 and will probably wind up in jail.

And last but not least... You can't raise goats and sheep in light gaps in the rainforest.

Oh my sides!
Leaving out the quotation marks is not going to convince anyone these are not fake quotes.

As for the "real businessman", would you not want your president to be at least a "good businessman"? Not just an imbecile asshole with an inheritance?
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After years of wasted effort the bottom line remains unchanged. Socrates has not convinced anyone that his ideas might have merit.
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Voxrat does have a point when he observes that I no longer think of trump as the better of two evils. I did think that when I was voting but now I actually think he's one of the most honest politicians we've ever had.

Let that sink in.
Maybe someone who doesn't know the truth and doesn't care is not really a liar. But calling him honest doesn't seem right.
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Random thought...

I wish I knew what all of you guys look like.

I know what Voxrat and Pingu look like. But I have these mental images of everyone else and it would be fun to see how close I am.
Sean Connery as King Arthur.
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"hatred" isn't quite the right word. It's more like revulsion. And there's nothing "irrational" about it.
The guy lies continuously, is nauseatingly vain and braggadocious, boasts about sexual assault, chisels and cheats people foolish enough to deal with him, is misogynist, racist, presides over the most corrupt administration in modern history...

We've got Steve Jobs running the country but Voxrat wants Mr. Rogers.
Trump is a Zen Buddhist?
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I have all the painkillers and fever reducers, remember?

Also got some stuff to help Lugubert's tummy feel a bit soothed after he sneaks some butter.

Oh and some stuff to help with the runs should that be needed.
yes and if we ever get past the spreadsheet stage and actually get some software that simulates this thing, we will be able to see what value your tribe (and my tribe) places on your services.
That you think there will be agreement on any simulation software you get doing something useful is extremely simplistic.
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We probably need to go back to RNRS. Presumably this is meant to represent the first Neanderthal.
Only an ignoramus would presume this.
Someone who thinks this is presumed by knowledgeable people would be an ignoramus also.
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What would be good would be to take the actual evidence of the study and relate it to the idea of humans having evolved in the Middle East from a branch of Middle Eastern Neanderthals. I do not expect that you folks would be able to do that. I understand.
One of the issues is to understand the meaning of the position values listed in the arch when related to the idea of humans having evolved in the Middle East from a branch of Middle Eastern Neanderthals. 

The first thing to note is that those position values are based on the speculative RNRS and the speculative RSRS. So it is impossible to know what they actually mean. People here will disagree with that of course but you do realize that RNRS and RSRS are both speculative.
In fact RSRS is completely speculative. I suggest that the mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East and gave rise to L3. This is of course more consistent with the evidence than the consensus view.
There seems to be a difference of opinion between you folks about how many changes would be required if the mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East and gave rise to L3.
I've seen people have differences of opinion about the nature of Tom Bombadil. I suspect the reasons are similar.
Although, like with Tom Bombadil, all agree it's fiction.
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What would be good would be to take the actual evidence of the study and relate it to the idea of humans having evolved in the Middle East from a branch of Middle Eastern Neanderthals. I do not expect that you folks would be able to do that. I understand.
One of the issues is to understand the meaning of the position values listed in the arch when related to the idea of humans having evolved in the Middle East from a branch of Middle Eastern Neanderthals. 

The first thing to note is that those position values are based on the speculative RNRS and the speculative RSRS. So it is impossible to know what they actually mean. People here will disagree with that of course but you do realize that RNRS and RSRS are both speculative.
In fact RSRS is completely speculative. I suggest that the mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East and gave rise to L3. This is of course more consistent with the evidence than the consensus view.
There seems to be a difference of opinion between you folks about how many changes would be required if the mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East and gave rise to L3.
I've seen people have differences of opinion about the nature of Tom Bombadil. I suspect the reasons are similar.
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position values that evolved
Strange phrase.
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That and Dave's casual embrace of socialist policies while still being all "I'm no damn commie" really hammer home how much of politics for a lot of people is just tribalism completely divorced from any real ideological thought. ~ Ben the Biased

This reality has always scared me, right from when I was a teenager first beginning to notice politics. In those days Canada, or at least my part of it, were barely removed from the era of 'a vote for a pint of rum'. I think Canadians got steadily better at separating 'the party my dad and grand-dad voted for' from 'the party that reflects my values and espouses the platform I like most' over the following decades, which perception I think is backed by our pretty frequent changes in government and the habit of many Canadians of voting strategically rather than for party. But I think the era of Steven Harper (not blaming it all on Harper, there have been many influences) brought back some of that old ideological 'my party can do no wrong, the other guys are evil' mindless tribalism.

There's been an uptick (I think) in racism and poor-bashing in Canada, and I do blame Harper for some of that, but also I blame the inevitable infection from American media.  I think the current Liberal gov't as usual pays lip service to socialism, but the truth is a bit more nuanced: they are still a party dedicated to protecting wealth, as they always have been, and in the ordinary way of things they lose an election when the socialist mask becomes too obvious a fake. Trudeau may have great intentions, but he is also head of the Liberal Party, and it shows in his policies.

I so wish the NDP would get their shit together. I've nothing against Jagmeet Singh, but I don't think he has the charisma and depth of policy needed to swing disillusioned Liberal votes in the way Jack Layton did. And in the meantime, we watch this shitshow next door and way too many tribalist voters like what they see. It's a sickness, a plague that spreads. :(
I've got an uncle in Alberta who's Facebook wall is now full of "Trudeu is destroying Canada" and "Liberalism is a mental disorder"  I was out there at christmas and it was really distirbing to hear the bile and hatred coming out of his mouth.  It's sad to see people get radicalized. 
You don't seem very sad about all the bile and hatred directed at ME by members  of this forum.
Matthew 7:15-20
Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
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People continually point out how similar Neanderthal mtDNA is to human. But then claim that that is evidence that humans did not evolve from Neanderthals.
You misunderstand. If humans evolved from Neanderthal they would be more similar.
But more importantly, the tree of life consists of mostly dead ends. The chance of finding something ancestral to something else is very small.
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I am proposing that mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East from Middle Eastern Neanderthals.
For position 5442 this works as follows. Position 5442 in Neanderthal is T. That fits for what I am proposing except for L0 which requires T5442C.
So that is just one mutation.
The other position I brought to people's attention was 6185. Does everyone see that the same pattern (one mutation) applies to that as well?

People are starting to get it.
Now if people can just acknowledge that RSRS is purely imaginary, since it is based on Neanderthals, you will really have made progress.
Where is the claimed Neanderthal introgression in the chart?
How would that work for mtDNA?
Is that even possible?
Do you know?
Do you care?
Answers to these questions are "not", "no", "apparently not" and "obviously not".
There is no mechanism by which alleles from another gene pool can be inserted into mitochondrial DNA.
Mitochondrial DNA is transmitted whole from mother to child, it will usually be an exact copy.
For nuclear DNA, any person will have alleles from many thousands of ancestors that lived 40000 years ago, if one or a few of those ancestors were Neanderthal (introgressors), then there is a chance that their genome will still have one or two Neanderthal alleles.
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I am proposing that mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East from Middle Eastern Neanderthals.
For position 5442 this works as follows. Position 5442 in Neanderthal is T. That fits for what I am proposing except for L0 which requires T5442C.
So that is just one mutation.
The other position I brought to people's attention was 6185. Does everyone see that the same pattern (one mutation) applies to that as well?

People are starting to get it.
Now if people can just acknowledge that RSRS is purely imaginary, since it is based on Neanderthals, you will really have made progress.
Where is the claimed Neanderthal introgression in the chart?
How would that work for mtDNA?
Is that even possible?
Do you know?
Do you care?
Answers to these questions are "not", "no", "apparently not" and "obviously not".
There is no mechanism by which alleles from another gene pool can be inserted into mitochondrial DNA.
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I am proposing that mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East from Middle Eastern Neanderthals.
For position 5442 this works as follows. Position 5442 in Neanderthal is T. That fits for what I am proposing except for L0 which requires T5442C.
So that is just one mutation.
The other position I brought to people's attention was 6185. Does everyone see that the same pattern (one mutation) applies to that as well?

People are starting to get it.
Now if people can just acknowledge that RSRS is purely imaginary, since it is based on Neanderthals, you will really have made progress.
Where is the claimed Neanderthal introgression in the chart?
How would that work for mtDNA?
Is that even possible?
Do you know?
Do you care?
Answers to these questions are "not", "no", "apparently not" and "obviously not".
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I am proposing that mt-MRCA evolved in the Middle East from Middle Eastern Neanderthals.
For position 5442 this works as follows. Position 5442 in Neanderthal is T. That fits for what I am proposing except for L0 which requires T5442C.
So that is just one mutation.
The other position I brought to people's attention was 6185. Does everyone see that the same pattern (one mutation) applies to that as well?

People are starting to get it.
Now if people can just acknowledge that RSRS is purely imaginary, since it is based on Neanderthals, you will really have made progress.
Where is the claimed Neanderthal introgression in the chart?
How would that work for mtDNA?
Is that even possible?
Do you know?
Do you care?
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The major point still remains. The fanciful RSRS is determined to be the same as Neanderthal except for the differences specifically listed. But the Out of Africa theory is not based on Neanderthal. It is based vaguely on some African homo rhodesiensis or homo erectus or homo antecessor etc.

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According to the recent African origin of modern humans theory, modern humans evolved in Africa possibly from Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis or Homo antecessor
From the posts, it seems that you folks understand the problem I am pointing out.
Perhaps you guys still do not understand it. And you were doing so well.
Think of it this way. If you only include Neanderthals then all you will get at the end are Neanderthal position values (unless specifically excluded).
But of course that tells you nothing about the validity of the Out of Africa theory which is explicitly NOT based on Neanderthals.

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According to the recent African origin of modern humans theory, modern humans evolved in Africa possibly from Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis or Homo antecessor

The study tells us nothing about the changes required between the claimed ancestor (for example Homo rhodesiensis) and modern human. Everyone has to agree with that.
So what have we been comparing? Different ways Neanderthals (outside of Africa) could have evolved into humans.
Certainly not comparing any possible claimed African ancestor versus Neanderthals.
So what have we been comparing? Different ways Neanderthals (outside of Africa) could have evolved into humans.
Does anyone who is not you think this is what we have been doing? It would be interesting to hear from such a person. Do such people exist?
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Also Trump has been officially nominated for this year's Nobel Peace Prize
Hmm...
Fake news?
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President Donald Trump has been twice nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize -- but both nominations appear to be fraudulent, The New York Times is reporting.

Olav Njolstad, the secretary of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, which awards the prize, told the Times the committee had uncovered the forged nominations and raised the issue with the Oslo police.
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What are the differences between humans and Neanderthals that are in the hundreds? If you point us to them I am delighted to count them.

Just for clarity are some of these hundreds, cases where there is a difference between at least some modern humans and at least some Neanderthals?
Is it the case that in some (all?) of these in the arch there is a difference between at least some modern humans and at least some Neanderthals?
I'd say that it is the case that in all of these in the arch there is a difference between at a large majority of modern humans and most known Neanderthals.

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Concerning position 7424 the phylotree shows A7424G  for L3d. Am I right in concluding that not all humans have the same value in position 7424?
7424 is in the arch. What does that mean for it to be in the arch?
It means that the most probable mtDNA genomes for RSRS and RNRS differ in the position with that number.
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::)  you are the serious shit here, Hawkins.
Yeah. Me and Pope Francis.
You (and the Pope, sort of maybe) believe that parents should be allowed to keep their child's animated corpse if it gives them comfort.
That is not respect for life.