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They still burn slash piles around here. They do cover them quickly so they seep smoke for a while. Part of the Autumn scenery mixed in the fog.

Slash only gets burned here if it's someone clearing land, usually for a housing development.

I think humidity, keeping the fuel damp, likely plays a part in creating 'incidental' biochar, which would perhaps suggest a way it could have been discovered - the high humidity and frequent rainfall might create conditions where biochar resulted from fires. Then all you need are keen observers putting two and two together.
I'll go find a slash pile to dig through, see what I find. I'll try not to steal any cool native plants 😉
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They still burn slash piles around here. They do cover them quickly so they seep smoke for a while. Part of the Autumn scenery mixed in the fog.
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Random capitalization seems to be another thing Hawkins has in common with his hero.
It's my phone that does that.
My old phone did that for a while before it died.
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In short your brains are addled from years and years of mass propaganda by our broken educational system but there's hope for you because you are a full, card-carrying member of the human species (not a less evolved member like they thought Ota Benga was) so your brain can be fixed!
Way to criticize the issue, Dave!
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The whole fucking enchilada with HMG is to mimic Nature's designs, a great example of which is found in the rainforest.

Why the fuck do you think HMG ranchers don't have to apply bagged fertilizers to make their pastures super productive, so productive that they can support two and three times the conventional stocking rates?

It's because they are following Nature's designs, a great example of which can be found in the rainforest.

Good Lord, you people are so brainwashed it's pathetic!
Nature's design for rainforests is for them to be forest, Dave, not pasture. Cutting down the trees to convert rainforest to pasture is not in any way mimicking nature's design.
it is really mind-blowing that you guys cannot connect the dots with this stuff. I guess it comes down to the brainwashing. The fertilizer sales establishment must be extremely powerful indeed.
It's your mind that's blown. You see dots that aren't there, or that you've drawn in with a dull crayon. Morton's demon must be extremely powerful indeed
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Most octohatters only know of one class of plant nutrients. The kind that you can sell in a bag.
Again, your jealousy prompts infantile insults. Again, pathetically transparent.
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Here's a nice dumbed down version of some of the key essentials of what Dr. Pat Richardson is saying ...

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Living Soil-Why We Want to Be Outnumbered
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Plant roots bring up mineral nutrients above ground, making vegetation, but they do not accomplish this by themselves. They actually need livestock to cycle minerals.
LOL. Nobody tell the hostas in my garden. I'm afraid they'll stop growing once they realize I haven't had any cattle eat and trample them.

Of course that quote doesn't actually mean what it says...

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There are livestock of all kinds--microfauna (microscopic animals, fungi, and bacteria), mesofauna (macroscopic soil invertebrates such as earthworms and nemotodes), and megafauna (large animals).

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https://holisticmanagement.org/in_practice/living-soil-why-we-want-to-be-outnumbered/
Wow! Dave isn't the only one who makes up his own definitions of words, huh?
Hostas you want to mob graze with slugs.
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Criticizing ideas
"I really wish some of you people would pull your heads out of your butts before you post.  So tiresome to have to wipe feces off my screen constantly"
What idea is being criticized here?
I forget.  There is a constant barrage of stupid ideas at this place.
Well then you're not criticizing any idea. You are insulting posters. Quit that.
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Criticizing ideas
"I really wish some of you people would pull your heads out of your butts before you post.  So tiresome to have to wipe feces off my screen constantly"
What idea is being criticized here?
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"nowhere near as good"

Can you quantify that? Demonstrate it in some way?
Yes of course. All the metrics that Testy was pointing out in that paper he posted. All that's been measured by numerous practitioners.
Can you link to those measurements by those numerous practitioners, so we can examine it?
No. Waste of time with this crowd. You can't fix stupid.
Transparent dodge.
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I think you're wrong but wow. You sure did get a following on that post!
''Following''. No.
Agreement, pleased to see the issues addressed so eloquently with obvious knowledge of the details, props for all Faid has done. Not blind cheering.

You're projecting your need for a hero or someone to blindly follow onto us.
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He's a hobbyist.
What are you?
An ambitious man with a plan.
Right. You have a plan.
Testy shares the bounty of his garden with his neighbors and friends.
I have a few neighbors who have market gardens. They grow all they need and have a seasonal income.
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With the correct setup, no one would have to mow lawns at all. And with the time saved millions of food calories could be produced in a way that would actually enhance the Lawns instead of dumping expensive harsh chemicals all over them.

It's fine if people want to Garden. But by and large it's a hobby. It's not a serious food-producing system for most people.
As far as my mowing, it is an exercise I enjoy doing and it helped me lose lots of weight. The meadow needs mowing because it's creek bottom - self watering. No chemicals. I maintain it for my health. And as I said, I'm making haylage to use in the garden (adding organic matter). If I end up with a bummer lamb - against my will of course -  I will feed it  haylage.
Many people grow a majority of their own food, Dave. Maybe you discount those who don't use animals as their main protein source.
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With the correct setup, no one would have to mow lawns at all. And with the time saved millions of food calories could be produced in a way that would actually enhance the Lawns instead of dumping expensive harsh chemicals all over them.

It's fine if people want to Garden. But by and large it's a hobby. It's not a serious food-producing system for most people.
Dave. I am using less than 500 sq ft. of land and making lots of food. Lots. All the eggs and tomato sauce I can eat. You are using several acres and producing nowhere near the per sq ft. Calories i am. Why is that? And i am not trying to save the world. You are.
You're a hobbyist.
And yet, what with his sharing, he is feeding more folks than you.
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Okay I see what you are saying. But the most destructive agriculture is grain production is it not? And factory animals because they consume a lot of grain. Are people growing grains in their backyards? Or animal food products? Seems like most people are growing things like lettuce and carrots and tomatoes.
Many gardeners keep chickens if it's allowed. They aren't much trouble. I recently learned that haylage is good chicken feed. I started making it out of my meadow grass clippings. The meadow, by the way, is too wet to run critters on, so if I kept any, that would be how I'd feed them part of the year.
It's perfectly possible to grow grain. It's not feasible to grow all that a family would want on a residential lot.
And again, there are vegetables that are more substantial than lettuce and tomatoes - beans, both fresh and dry, are full of protein and carbs, potatoes are great stored energy, corn takes up a bit of space but is well worth it.
You keep sneering at vegetables for no reason other than you personally don't care for them. Most people enjoy gardening. Most people would reject your diet regardless if your claims were true.
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Sea star, spinach does well all winter in a greenhouse. I start some seeds every week or two so I always have some fresh starts and plant about 5 a week which seems to be plenty for us. It takes less than ten minutes a week now that I have the system down.
Do you find it matters if you use a winter variety or not? We planted two types this winter, one was specifically a winter type but they both did great. The same ones outside went all winter and haven't bolted yet! ETA I can't plant that few seeds :/
I'm getting the lettuces on a two week cycle but not the spinach yet. I planted a little patch of it last week and will replant the thinnings about.
I just buy a bunch of spinach seeds at bimart once a year. There is a real trick to only planting a few seeds. I have already given about 50 tomato starts away this year. But the salad stuff is a system now and I just have it down so it's not hard. One thing I think is worth considering is buying starts. It takes a pretty dedicated system to deal with starts in seasonal climates and there are plenty of locals who will do that for you. I have a bank of 4 florescent grow lights over a kind of long table in my basement for starts. If you don't have space fr something like that, it really isn't that hard to find good starts.
I have a medium size heat mat in the small greenhouse for starting seeds, but the kid just bought some fancy led light so we will move it into the spare room to start the clones, then carry on with planting the winter garden seeds in a few weeks.
Starts are convenient, though. especially if you just need a couple plants of a type.
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Lol

As long as there is an Olive Garden I will go there once in awhile. But I do expect  my food production to exceed my own personal food calorie requirements this year ...But no, it won't be documented to your satisfaction because people like you are impossible to satisfy.
Or maybe because the numbers might tell a story you aren't willing to accept. Better not even go there.
I already have a pretty good idea of what the numbers will be and I'm prepared to accept that.
Could you record them, so you could share them with interested parties?
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Sea star, spinach does well all winter in a greenhouse. I start some seeds every week or two so I always have some fresh starts and plant about 5 a week which seems to be plenty for us. It takes less than ten minutes a week now that I have the system down.
Do you find it matters if you use a winter variety or not? We planted two types this winter, one was specifically a winter type but they both did great. The same ones outside went all winter and haven't bolted yet! ETA I can't plant that few seeds :/
I'm getting the lettuces on a two week cycle but not the spinach yet. I planted a little patch of it last week and will replant the thinnings about.
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Borealis,  I know you are spot on. And I remember that post - what a lovely woman!  And of course your way with words made a delightful image. :) I don't have that much energy.
But every time I'm out and about on my little demesne and realize how crazy and out of touch with reality Dave is, it overcomes me anew. I just had to vent.
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Lol

As long as there is an Olive Garden I will go there once in awhile. But I do expect  my food production to exceed my own personal food calorie requirements this year ...But no, it won't be documented to your satisfaction because people like you are impossible to satisfy.
Or maybe because the numbers might tell a story you aren't willing to accept. Better not even go there.
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Dave, my property is about 1 1/3 acres on a coastal terrace. It is long and narrow, running north-south. From the road at the north, the property goes down a south-west facing slope to a creek bottom meadow; beyond the creek ( to which I could apply for irrigation rights*) it slopes steeply up in a mixed conifer forest.
* we are on a community water system that takes water from the creek about 1/2 mile from my house, treats it and pumps it up to to tank on the hill to gravity feed to system. I have a septic system which ultimately goes back into the creek a couple miles downstream.

We harvest fiddleheads and water cress from the damp part of the meadow and various berries from the forest. There are mushrooms growing but I don't know them so don't pick them, but do want to start a mushroom patch. we also harvest dead material for the compost pile. Btw, I can identify many of the plants on the place and know whether they are native, invasive, noxious, edible, medicinal or what.
We have several fruit and nut trees of varying ages.
As I said, the garden is only a couple years old. the native soil is heavy acid clay. My son has hauled over a ton of old hay, old shit, cranberry leaves etc to our garden to improve the soil.
I expect to provide all our fresh produce for the summer through fall and probably into the winter. We will grow as much cannabis as we legally can in the greenhouse, then keep the greenhouse full of whatever over winter - we had mini jalapenos all last winter and the plants are still going!
We are growing food to store for winter as well.
We save seed, I started my own sweet potato slips from one I saved from last years' harvest.
We generally get some or all of a cow or lamb each year from the ranch my boys work for.

So am I using my land 'properly' by your standards?

Also, Dave, its not just the calories, Dave. Its the health, the variety, and as you mentioned, how well it's prepared. We grow lots of herbs to cook with - definitely kept a bunch going all winter in the greenhouse!
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"I don't bluff"

Lol

Salad, winter squash, green beans.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

So prolly not even 10% of your annual food calories.

Lol
The garden is two years old - how long have you been tilting at your windmill?
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Sea Star says ...

"Anyway, plenty of folks maintain a substantial garden that provides much of their food year round."

Really?

Who?

You?

Neighbors?

People you know?
I have a neighbor who grows their own tomatoes and apples, and makes enough to distribute sauce and applesauce to the neighborhood. Yes.
Yes. So many people garden and have excess, there are multiple jokes about leaving bags of produce on porches.
And lots of folks grow more substantial food as well, like beans and winter squash, which can be used in winter.
Gardening is a popular thing to do, small or large scale. I don't know why Dave needs to deny it so strongly - maybe he knows his meat n milk diet won't be popular so he has to malign veggies.

Hold on. You said "much of their food year-round."  To me "much" would mean something like 50% of their annual food calorie requirements or more. Is this what you mean? Or are you just bluffing as usual?
I don't bluff, that would be you.
Are you producing 50% of YOUR food calories at this time? What are you supplementing with - Wendy's?

How healthy is your overall diet? I ate salad out of my garden all winter, as well as winter squash that we stored (still have 6 to eat) and frozen green beans. Normal people prefer variety in their diets, and many folks garden for the infinitely better flavor and quality of food, not to mention saving $.