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No for a lot of reasons it makes sense to try to help them produce 200,000 food calories per acre sustainably instead of 20,000 per acre ( my guess at a figure for hunting and fishing )
Why, it's not like they have a shortage of land.

It's true that THEY don't have a shortage of land.  But we must think globally.  Isn't it irresponsible for each person to use 40 acres to produce their food when they could be using only 4?  (And yes that includes me and I'm trying) Or do you not care about all those people in various parts of the world that don't have enough land (or skills) to feed their families?
Hey, Bluffy, I'm supposed to be on your IGNORE list, indeed, at the very top of that list.
What a bluffoon.

By the way, this is getting right back to your bait and switch habit. When someone points out a failing in your "small world" plan, you switch to the global plan, and when that gets shot up, you switch back to "it's a small world". The situation is not linear nor even consistent. This is one of your major failings.
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It isn't illegal to have a consensual affair with a 22 year old woman, Heinz. Unethical in the circumstances, but not against any law, so I'm not sure what he should have gone to jail for.
Maybe because Billy was getting blown on the job and HH wasn't.

If that were the law, we'd need to build a lot more prisons. Probably have to buy Australia to use as a prison colony.
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I suppose it will surprise you - since your idea of politics seems to be entirely Yay My Team Boo Yours - that I thought then, and still do, that Clinton should have resigned.

That's very big of you! The fact is, for taking sexual advantage of a very junior employee he should have gone to jail.
Bill Clinton is a piece of shit and so is his wife.
HH, have you actually read the history of that affair. It was Lewinski that initiated contact. More of the junior employee fucking the boss for whatever reasons she may have had. It was not Bill Clinton seeking her out and seducing her with his power and majesty.

That's not to say Clinton should have taken her up on her offer. It was inappropriate. Meh. Not really such a big deal. Personally, I don't understand women (or men) who put up with habitual philanderers. There's no doubt Billy Boy was dipping his stick wherever he could and Hilary hung in there with him. Well, that's their relationship. The only people Billy Boy was hurting was Hilary and Chelsea. I presume by the time Lewinski came along, Hilary was well aware of her husband's predilections and it's probable Chelsea was as well. In any case, their problem. What I really didn't understand is how Clinton figured it would never come public. Just way too many people involved in way too public of a place. Way too many of those people would have been rather anxious for some way to move up in the world. Some advantage.

But overall, I don't see why anyone other then Hillary and/or Chelsea would care. Lewinski didn't have a problem with the arrangement, other than a lot more attention than she wanted. But it doesn't seem to have prevented her from moving on. What, most adults over 30, both male and female, have had at least one if not more sexual affairs, often very short term.

And many of those ranting loudest about the whole thing have done the same if not worse. I've no direct evidence to support that claim, but the recent disclosures in a broad range of fields, including politics, indicates our dear leaders, our mover and shakers, are fucking whatever they can, wherever they can, whenever they can and often it is a very lopsided relationship with the junior participant being taken advantage of by the senior participant in terms of job security, advancement, perks, etc. 

It would also probably improve your understanding of the event if you read up on the applicable law at that time. Lewinski probably could have brought suit against Clinton but given the circumstances, I'm not sure it would have been successful. But as to breaking any criminal law existing at the time, I don't think so.
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My point is that there are vast difference between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky versus the old Masai tribesman who married the 15 year old.  And for some reason Voxrat thinks my "hypocrisy is nauseating" for pointing that out. Or something.
Do try and keep the order of events straight, Dave. Voxrat thinks your hypocrisy for cheering the Maasai marriage of a 15 year old while condemning Clinton for having oral sex with a 22 year old is nauseating. The hypocrisy wasn't in pointing out differences, which you started trying to do only after Voxrat called you a hypocrite.
I think you are confused. But hell, if you are, then that makes two of us. I don't understand what Vox ratfinks was hypocritical. I like how my phone transcribed that. I think I'm just going to leave it. It somehow seems appropriate.
Your confusion is understandable.
Because your hypocrisy here is multidimensional.
8D dimensional?
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No for a lot of reasons it makes sense to try to help them produce 200,000 food calories per acre sustainably instead of 20,000 per acre ( my guess at a figure for hunting and fishing )
Why, it's not like they have a shortage of land.

What does it matter? 400 or 4000 on 1M acres of land. Even the latter allows for 250 acres per person. They only need to produce 10 calories per acre per day. They don't need to be efficient. And maybe that's the biggest issue you aren't addressing.

Beyond which, have you even looked into what the Deed says and, specifically what it says about deforestation and limits to such?
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And on the other hand we have the absolutely not culturally accepted practice of powerful men, in this case the most powerful man in the country, using his position to make advances toward a young impressionable girl trying to make her way in the world. It would be one thing if Bill Clinton had taken her as a second wife with all the privileges both financial and otherwise that come along with that.  But no. He was free loading. Receiving pleasure from this vulnerable young woman and giving nothing in return. Talk about a slime bag.
And of course Trump has never done anything like that!  ::)

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And it's hard to believe that a grown adult sporting a PhD degree
Oh lord.
Here we go again with the completely gratuitous PhD envy. ::)
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cannot see the vast difference between these two situations.
What makes you think I don't see a difference between the two situations?  :dunno:

I suppose it will surprise you - since your idea of politics seems to be entirely Yay My Team Boo Yours - that I thought then, and still do, that Clinton should have resigned.
No, no way. Think of the consequences: Gore would have become President!!
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whats mysterious is how Trump, of all people, came to be anyone's hero.
It's the ultimate triumph of cynicism.
Yeah. A more disgusting human is hard to imagine.
Oh I dunno. How about the president who got a blowjob from a female intern under the desk in the Oval Office?
Was there something wrong with that, other than from his wife's POV? Hey, it's a tough job, lots of stress. A bit unethical on the whole sexual something or other. Didn't seem either party was unwilling though at this point, I'm guessing some regret on some of the participants' parts.

I certainly don't consider something of that nature worse then cheating people with whom you have a contract and they've done their share and you simply don't pay them because, well, because you can. Oh, sure, it's probable they'll win but it's going to take time and it'll cost them a bundle, meanwhile, fuck 'em sort of thing.

I don't even consider it as bad as Drumpf's attitude towards women or his bullying attitude towards everyone.
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If you guys have ever watched Shark Tank much, you know that investors always want to invest in small amounts of success, serving as amplifiers to turn small success into greater success.  But the key is having a proven track record of success on a small scale.
One problem with that strategy ... ...


... ... you don't have any records of your success. Just your word for it. Because, to you, TLAR and that's good enough, especially since it's what you want it to be.

Ninja'd.

Fucking Oregonians. And a Manipulative Bitch as well.
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Why bother?  You're not interested in truth.  It's more fun to just post a bit of reality now and then and watch you people screw yourselves into the ceiling.
Yes, keep running Dave. Just like you ran from C14 and varves and dendrchronology, and how you abandoned your "evidences" for YEC, and never respond to the criticisms of your heroes' arguments.

You've NEVER been interested in truth, you are a pathetic man-child who has never had the balls or the honesty to follow objective evidence, instead wallowing in the comfort of ridiculous fairy tales and YEC lies, sniping in Martin Luther fashion thinking you are scoring points by being an asshole, when, you are just being an asshole.

Keep running Dave. You only keep fooling yourself.
Well, not entirely true, he also entertains me. Possibly others as well.
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Just to put this in perspective... Their entire Conservation District is about 2300 square miles and we're talking about experimenting on ONE square mile to provide all the animal food product needs for the village.   keep in mind that this will remove a significant amount of hunting pressure from the other 2299 Acres. I do not know the number of Acres required in a Hunting Preserve to supply 128 million food calories. I suspect it's a very large area.
What we are really talking about is some wild ass plan by an internet crackpot with little to no education, training and little to some actual experience in a related venture who has little to no data to support his claims and he thinks the people controlling that Preserve (and though it's deeded to the Wai Wai, I'd be very suprised if that Deed doesn't have some very serious restrictions as to what the Wai Wai can do with it. My guess that would include not allowing them to allow the above mentioned internet crackpot talk them into cutting down and clearing a square mile of pristine jungle so he can conduct an experiment. All with little to no supporting data. Just his word on it and his best highly biased opinions.

BTW, check your units.
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I guess you were never that fond of 'lots of work'.
Any work at all.
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Where IS that pinhead?

Stevie seemed like a sensible person. Too sensible to hang around a joint like this.
Actually, my understanding is he felt it was a waste of time as exemplified by Bluffy and sucky. He'd probably find you a waste of time as well, but better he opine on that himself.
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Being a billionaire- especially one born with a silver spoon in his mouth - is points off AFAIC.

A lot of points 

ETA:  Even more especially one with a long sordid and well documented history of shady dealings to maintain and amplify that wealth.

Everyone here is missing the point, probably because of their blind hatred for Trump.

The only point was that he is the only person to be a billionaire AND POTUS, so just maybe he does know something that most people don't. But you people cannot even admit something as obvious as that. Hatred destroys the hater.
Maybe you're just reading too much into it.

Rockefeller was much wealthier than Trump, in actual dollars, and he was vice president.

Also that maybe it's better to have a President that's in touch with the regular people, rather than grabbing pussy. And so being a billionaire is really no criteria for being POTUS. And being POTUS is really no significant indicator of knowing something the rest of us do not, other than he's privy, by law, to some national security secrets.

It's you that attaches some quality to being a billionaire and being POTUS that evades the rest of us. And that having that quality is a good thing.

And it's not just that, it's what he's actually done. Attempting to destroy the health care for millions, passing tax laws that favor the ultra rich and larger corporations over the rights and interests of the people. Dismissing literally thousands of long time government employees over political issues, pissing off our allies, starting trade wars, giving away our national heritage to large corporations, shutting down critical support agencies, lying through his teeth, acting the dick, etc.'

I really don't care how much money he has, but I do care how he got it. Yes, pretty much all politicians in significant positions these days are corrupt to some degree or another. But Drumpf is an exemplar of such.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you or someone else to explain to me what Clinton has done that is so horrible. Not that I care. She's not what I would call a perfect candidate, but not the worst either.
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Where IS that pinhead?
I am thinking he's involved in a lot of hiking and camping and so on with that lady he met.
And I am thinking he got bored with TR.

But according to Eric, he's well and good.
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Goat Rodeo:

Trump cancels Kim summit amid North Korea 'hostility'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44242558

Guess all those US/NK Summit commemorative coins were a bit premature.
I bet Kim's response (well, the response his authors will write up for him) will include something like "When the President of the USA cares no more about petty political games, Nobel prizes and his own ratings, and is ready to discuss in earnest about the well-being of the People, the Chairman of NK will be here to meet him on the negotiating table as an equal. Our offer stands".

And just like that, that little SOB will have come out on top. Great.
It's pretty much per the script they wrote for the whole show.
Make generous but vague offer to Drumpf,
Drumpf falls all over himself with self-congratulations about what a great deal maker he is.
Big plans for a summit.
NK gets their nose out of joint because the US is going to engage with SK in war games.
NK cancels meeting
Drumpf, trying to look like he's in control, cancels meeting.
Back to normal.
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Hey, me too, and I don't even know stevie like you know stevie!

Say hello to stevie for me,eh?
I will. I just never seem to catch him at home. Did get to see Eric a week or so ago. He works at a Construction Supply Company in Fremont, just down the hill from Stevie's place, where he still lives. Said Stevie was busy as ever. I had gone there to get some beam hangers for the deck/porch addition we're doing. It's coming out really nice. But it's been a huge amount of work. At least for us two old folks.
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Well no. Darwinism is a much better example.

Allan Savory, Mark Shepard, James Shapiro....

You just never get tired of stepping on that rake, do you?


I picture Bluffy having an ARPD (Automatic Rake Placing Device). It precedes him, making sure there is a rake for every step he takes.
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Maybe I have this wrong but I don't think what Trump said is attributing a false quote. It was either rhetoric or hyperbole and not a big deal.

That's the way he talks!
If that were true, he should learn to talk a different way, perhaps even the way most people talk.

Most people aren't billionaires and president so maybe he knows something we don't?
So is Putin, but way more so. Lots more money, lots more direct power, has just been reelected for the third time, by a really massive margin over the other candidates. And, for all intents and purposes, he is absolutely immune to anything like impeachment or official charges against him.

Maybe he knows something you don't.

What a classic. Wealth is an indicator of intelligence. Power is an indicator of intelligence. Luck had nothing to do with it. Nor did any cheating. Nor did being a complete jerk with no regard for anything but him or her self. Nor did having a rich daddy.

Actually, Putin didn't have rich daddy. Frankly, I like Putin better than I like Drumpf. He may be a first class dictator but I feel he really does love Russia. Loves himself as much or more, but deep down there he cares for Russia and will do just about anything to benefit Russia, except, of course, to his own detriment.
I like Jesus and Gandhi better than both of them.

EDIT: also Allan Savory.
Oh yeah?!? Well I like Stevie Pinhead better than I like any of the people you have mentioned. Even all of them combined.
So take that!!
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Maybe I have this wrong but I don't think what Trump said is attributing a false quote. It was either rhetoric or hyperbole and not a big deal.

That's the way he talks!
If that were true, he should learn to talk a different way, perhaps even the way most people talk.

Most people aren't billionaires and president so maybe he knows something we don't?
Most people aren't ignorant illiterate egomaniacal morons, so maybe he doesn't know anything we don't?
At least not anything of value.
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Gee, Heinz - Trump has shown no respect to my elected leader, even bragged and laughed about lying to his face. Should I respect Trump too or do I get a pass?

You are a canuk, you get a pass.

But you really seem upset about that; you mention it often enough.

I am. It's symbolic of the disregard and contempt with which Trump and his cronies regard Canada. The US is a monstrous country, with which our economy is inextricably entwined. Their culture, massive as it is, inevitably influences our own culture, usually not to the better. (For example, there are now more than one hundred hate groups in Canada, mostly white supremacists, all directly involved with their US counterparts).

Most Presidents at least pay lip service to respecting our sovereignty. Trump is something else. He's a bully and he lies without even thinking about it. He can't be trusted to keep his word on anything. He seesaws on trade, NATO, TPP, lumber, dairy, god knows what his oil stance is going to be in the future. A much smaller economy like Canada's requires stability, something we will never have with Trump in office.

His appalling environment and wildlife decisions may be disastrous for Canadian lands and wildlife as well.

Of course it was upsetting, why the hell would it not be?

Although I mostly repeat it to try to ding it into Dave's thick skull that his hero Trump is a bully and a liar. H never responds, of course.

Allow me to apologize to you on behalf of our idiot president, for any sleight either perceived or real, against your president.

Canada also benefits greatly from its close proximity to the US. For one thing, you do not need to maintain a very strong military against the possibility of Russia incursion; you are under the US nuclear umbrella. And trade with the US is a major factor of your economy. Sometime you have to accept the good with the bad. Trump won't be around forever, but the US and Canada will, hopefully.

Americans always boast about their military reach irt Canada. Heinz, nobody wants to nuke Canada. No one wants to invade Canada. Russia at her worst has better ideas about where to invade.  Despite Trump's whining, the US does not really want Canada to develop a powerful military. (Long history of 'persuasion'). The US military itself is a significant factor in Canadian military deaths (friendly fire). The US 'nuclear umbrella' is just a great big threat to the world. The most likely invader of Canada IS the US, probably when climate change really impacts US water resources in some unpleasant future.

Lol, we know how economies work! Seriously, the sooner you get an American government that's somewhat sane, the happier we'll be. This guy sucks.



Right. The US is going to invade Canada. I didn't know you were a nutcase.
Yay! HH takes the line "The most likely invader of Canada IS the US, probably when climate change really impacts US water resources in some unpleasant future." as indicating the US IS GOING TO INVADE CANADA!!!!!!! Any day now.

I guess English is not your native language. Nor subtlety.

Think about HH, how likely is it the US would invade, as in militarily, Canada?
That's exactly the worst scenario of invasion Canada faces.

Thing is, HH, Canada isn't a threat to any other country. It isn't out there actively militarily pissing off other countries/peoples. It's not the world's policeman and I mean that in the sort of how police in the US are often thought of, especially by the poor and/or non-white population way. There's only one reason anyone would invade Canada and that would be obtain control of more of North America. I suppose Mexico could, theoretically, have such aspirations (I am pretty sure there's nobody in Mexico that thinks such a move on their part would have any chance of success and would quite likely turn out very badly for Mexico and themselves, personally) but I think we can discount any of the Central American or Caribbean nations without further discussion.

That leaves the US.
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Maybe I have this wrong but I don't think what Trump said is attributing a false quote. It was either rhetoric or hyperbole and not a big deal.

That's the way he talks!
If that were true, he should learn to talk a different way, perhaps even the way most people talk.

Most people aren't billionaires and president so maybe he knows something we don't?
So is Putin, but way more so. Lots more money, lots more direct power, has just been reelected for the third time, by a really massive margin over the other candidates. And, for all intents and purposes, he is absolutely immune to anything like impeachment or official charges against him.

Maybe he knows something you don't.

What a classic. Wealth is an indicator of intelligence. Power is an indicator of intelligence. Luck had nothing to do with it. Nor did any cheating. Nor did being a complete jerk with no regard for anything but him or her self. Nor did having a rich daddy.

Actually, Putin didn't have rich daddy. Frankly, I like Putin better than I like Drumpf. He may be a first class dictator but I feel he really does love Russia. Loves himself as much or more, but deep down there he cares for Russia and will do just about anything to benefit Russia, except, of course, to his own detriment.
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Gee, Heinz - Trump has shown no respect to my elected leader, even bragged and laughed about lying to his face. Should I respect Trump too or do I get a pass?

You are a canuk, you get a pass.

But you really seem upset about that; you mention it often enough.

I am. It's symbolic of the disregard and contempt with which Trump and his cronies regard Canada. The US is a monstrous country, with which our economy is inextricably entwined. Their culture, massive as it is, inevitably influences our own culture, usually not to the better. (For example, there are now more than one hundred hate groups in Canada, mostly white supremacists, all directly involved with their US counterparts).

Most Presidents at least pay lip service to respecting our sovereignty. Trump is something else. He's a bully and he lies without even thinking about it. He can't be trusted to keep his word on anything. He seesaws on trade, NATO, TPP, lumber, dairy, god knows what his oil stance is going to be in the future. A much smaller economy like Canada's requires stability, something we will never have with Trump in office.

His appalling environment and wildlife decisions may be disastrous for Canadian lands and wildlife as well.

Of course it was upsetting, why the hell would it not be?

Although I mostly repeat it to try to ding it into Dave's thick skull that his hero Trump is a bully and a liar. H never responds, of course.

Allow me to apologize to you on behalf of our idiot president, for any sleight either perceived or real, against your president.

Canada also benefits greatly from its close proximity to the US. For one thing, you do not need to maintain a very strong military against the possibility of Russia incursion; you are under the US nuclear umbrella. And trade with the US is a major factor of your economy. Sometime you have to accept the good with the bad. Trump won't be around forever, but the US and Canada will, hopefully.
Yeah, and that gal whose husband beat the crap out of last month, she lived in a really nice house and got to drive a Mercedes station wagon. Hell, he even paid for the plastic surgery so you can never tell how bad it was.
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Predictions based upon nothing are pretty much meaningless, especially when there's nothing personal at stake. Especially when there is no time limit nor specific conditions.

It becomes simply more rhetoric, more hyperbole. Empty rhetoric, meaningless hyperbole.

You go in about how some people here hate Drumpf, but don't seem to have reasons (despite repeatedly mentioning numerous reasons already in fact) yet I'm still waiting for someone to make a clear cut case for why they hate Clinton so much.
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Presidents shouldn't talk in hyperbole. Especially when they are discussing matters of import in which people could lose their jobs, even end up in court, possibly convicted and imprisoned and fined.

And as Testy points out, Drumpf has initiated significant roll backs of environmental and social protections, the beginnings of trade wars, loss of confidence in the US by it's allies and encouraged the sort of people nobody in their right minds wants around.

I tend to doubt his speech patterns are anything but symptomatic of a confused mind looking for one liner sound bites.
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Gee, Heinz - Trump has shown no respect to my elected leader, even bragged and laughed about lying to his face. Should I respect Trump too or do I get a pass?
I'm thinking since he's such a great deal maker, you should just give in and give him a blow job, you pay costs of transportation. He's a businessman, a successful businessman in fact. He deserves it. After all, he lied to your elected leader and, apparently, got away with it.

Or perhaps this is just how international figures assess whatever Drumpf says.