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Also, I know it's been said before, but I can't get over how ironic it is that he keeps his goats in a tiny cage while railing against big ag practices. I guess stuffing animals into tiny spaces is one of the things he thinks big ag gets right? Blech. Need a break from reading this thread.
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Put each rabbit in a just-bigger-than-a-rabbit sized cage, preferably strapped to their body.  Run those via remote control. You can even link those to the timer for the goat tractor, to move them about when the cage moves. 
I honestly don't know why he isn't already doing this with each of his goats, considering his beep-boop concept of stocking density and how important it apparently is to him.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
I'm sure this comparison has been made (I think I may have even seen it here recently, but I can't remember where), but it's really like he's taking a Ron Swanson approach to these cabinet positions. Find the person who most opposes what that administration is supposed to do so that it will most effectively end up doing nothing.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
WWE cofounder Linda McMahon - SBA

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/07/trump-picks-wrestling-magnate-linda-mcmahon-to-lead-small-business-administration.html

Former CEO of a multinational corporation that created a virtual monopoly by putting all of its small, local competitors out of business. Great choice to head the Small Business Administration!
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Some of you people are just fucking morons.
What an absolute fucking retard you are!
You are such an utter fucking moron
You are a fucking moron.
you are an utter fucking moron
You are not just a moron. You are an asshole.
You are an idiot....
Truly you ARE an idiot.
...  your abyss of stupidity?
What kind of moron...
No you idiot.

Someone's suffering from some major butt hurt today.

This could be a job for...

IKR. It would be funny how quickly and vigorously he resorts to such childish name-calling in response to even the lightest criticism (I suspect it directly correlates to how much he secretly realizes the criticism is valid), except for those poor goats.

And how similar it is to the behavior of our president elect.
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Has anyone ever done this? If not, we need to copyright it ayy ess ayy pee.
Yeah work on that will ya?  Then report your results in an octohatter journal.
Patience, little hare. I've just had the idea.

I'm curious though: Do you see anything wrong with it in theory?
Yes.  But I'm a retard with no understanding of science.  So don't listen to me.
Nonononono I'm genuinely interested. Please tell me why taming a predator to control the herbivores' movement wouldn't work. I promise to listen.
^^^^^^
This exchange is almost physically painful to read. It's like ramming your head right into Dave's ultra high density skull.
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I have a great idea: Put a harness on a goat, and fix a light tent-like cage (say, 2 feet x 4 feet) on the harness so that the goat is in the cage but can walk about easily carrying the cage.  By my calculation, we have 1 animal unit on a 8 sq ft temporary paddock.  So ... AU / acre = 1 AU / (8 sf / 43,560 sf/ac) = 5445 AU / acre.  Talk about high density!

Peez
One question... Does this goat walk around wherever it wants to anytime it wants to?  If so then you are not doing holistic managed grazing and the term "stock density" is meaningless.
I have an idea!

Those herbivores basically go where they have to to get away from predators, right?

So how about we actually TAME a predator somehow, and then get it to chase the herbivores towartds the direction we want them to go!

It would be an extremely efficient system- you don't have to "mimic" the predator, you have the ACTUAL predator there working for you! And the herbivores get the Full Predator Effect! Also, it's truly sustainable because the predator will essentially run on MEAT, which is one of your products! After the initial cost of catching, taming and training the predator, the system will basically run itself! And I bet you could optimize it even more as time goes by, by BREEDING predators- Thereby skipping the catching and taming stage! OMG this is a goldmine!

Has anyone ever done this? If not, we need to copyright it ayy ess ayy pee.
Yeah work on that will ya?  Then report your results in an octohatter journal.
LOL. Good fucking god.  It never ceases to amaze me. Every time I think he can't get any stupider, he somehow manages. I know it's the 7th law, but I'm amazed by it every time.
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LOL. Was his model better or worse than the ones that had Clinton at 99%?
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Have to admit it, in isolation, it was pretty fucking satisfying when those idiots who kept saying Silver was an idiot for having Trump's chances as "high" as 30% or whatever were proved to in fact be idiots.
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And less baggage. Not that her baggage was anything real, but it's been a thing that's been built up in the public consciousness so much and for so long that it was a burden for her from the beginning. A relatively fresh face would probably help.
Are you fucking kidding??

The Clinton Foundation was a pay for play access to State. That's pretty much all it was. Hillary's "baggage" is demonstrably real, not even considering her total lack of charisma. Put simply, the Democrats fielded the wrong candidate. As I said before, a good looking turnip would have stood a better chance. Bernie would have won convincingly and the world would be in a far better position right now. The DNC fucked the pooch big time and deserves to be eviscerated.
LOL. When I read "are you fucking kidding" I thought that post was going in the exact opposite direction. (I.e., "Of course Hillary's 'baggage' was all conspiracy theory nonsense!") The fact that it really could have gone either way proves my point though I guess.
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Politics and Current Events / Pizzagate
Has this been talked about at all here? This morning was the first time I had heard about it, when I heard this on the radio:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/05/504404675/man-fires-rifle-inside-d-c-pizzeria-cites-fictitious-conspiracy-theories
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A man with a rifle who claimed to be "self-investigating" a baseless online conspiracy theory entered the Washington, D.C., pizzeria Comet Ping Pong on Sunday, according to local police.

The man allegedly pointed the gun at a restaurant employee, who managed to escape, then fired the weapon inside the restaurant. There were no reports of injuries, police say. A North Carolina man has been charged with assault with a dangerous weapon in connection with the shooting.

It's a disturbing development in what has already been a weeks-long ordeal for Comet Ping Pong, a kid-friendly pizza restaurant that also hosts live music events.

Internet users have developed a wholly fictitious conspiracy theory that maintains Comet Ping Pong is the site of an international Satanic child sex abuse cabal hosted by powerful Democrats, including Hillary Clinton. Speculation and fabrications tied to the bizarre conspiracy theory have been relentlessly circulated by politically motivated fringe sites.

As NPR's Linda Wertheimer put it last week, even the most cursory examination of "#Pizzagate" reveals stories that are "completely and not very skillfully made up."

One of the key pieces of "evidence," for example, comes from the emails WikiLeaks says came from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta. The emails include references to pizza. The conspiracy theory holds that based on how frequently pizza comes up, "pizza" must be code for pedophilia.

Comet Ping Pong owner James Alefantis told NPR that the entire theory is "an insanely complicated, made-up, fictional lie-based story" that people in the "reality-based" community quickly dismissed as an "insane sort of joke."

But on the fringes of the Internet, some people have been taking it seriously. The restaurant has received hundreds of death threats. Now it has had an actual armed assault.

And the "fictitious online conspiracy theory," as D.C. police have called it, shows no sign of going away.

On Sunday night, after the gun was fired inside Comet Ping Pong, Michael Flynn Jr. -- the son of incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn -- posted messages supporting the conspiracy theory.

"Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story. The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many 'coincidences' tied to it," the younger Flynn tweeted.

He stood by his tweet as the night continued, retweeting people who were accusing the mainstream media of being part of the conspiracy to cover up the pedophilia ring.

In a statement on Sunday, Alefantis vowed that Comet Ping Pong would "continue to operate safely and securely," and he condemned those who are working to spread the malicious accusations.

"What happened today demonstrates that promoting false and reckless conspiracy theories comes with consequences," he said. "I hope that those involved in fanning these flames will take a moment to contemplate what happened here today, and stop promoting these falsehoods right away."

I just don't have any words for how fucked up this is. I don't know if I can even articulate why, but this scares me more than anything else that has happened this year. Like, that people can just make some random shit up, and so many fucking idiots believe it, to the point that one will actually fire a gun in a restaurant over it. How do you stop this?
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Yes, but as I already pointed out to testy, these people are looking at the generational loss of manufacturing jobs mainly from enormous corporations, not "small businesses." You guys just keep reinforcing my point.

Bernie's message wasn't "more small businesses!" and neither was Trump's. That was the Republican message in 2012, and it lost.
Yeah, and I wasn't necessarily agreeing with Testy that "support small business" was a winning message. Just that addressing economic concerns in general probably would be, preferably in a clear way that actually does address them, rather than just platitudes from a candidate who's clearly not actually going to do much, which is what I think we mostly got from Hillary.

Clinton won on the economy in nearly every swing state. It was terrorism and immigration that drove trump's victory.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix...m=.a50525430cf5
Jesus. In that case, I don't know. I guess control the narrative is really the lesson here. Help voters understand that the Republican fearmongering about Muslims and Mexicans is bullshit and that economic issues are actually important, and then introduce coherent policies to address those issues. I have no data on this, but I have a feeling that economic concerns underlie concerns about terrorism and immigration anyway. I think a successful Democratic candidate would have hammered economic issues in such a way that more voters would have listed it as their top concern. It's not like all voters have a set "most important issue" that never changes over the course of the campaign.

Although it may be more likely that education is the underlying issue, as we saw that the education split was actually more of thing than the economic split in this election anyway. Of course how you go about winning low-education voters without first improving the education system, I have no idea. Republicans will continue to win elections as long as they can successfully scare idiots, and it's difficult to stop that when they repeat their bullshit so often and so loud. That, more than anything else, was Trump's real strength. This has been said before (by me and others), but I definitely think the Democrats needed to run a candidate with more charisma than Hillary. And less baggage. Not that her baggage was anything real, but it's been a thing that's been built up in the public consciousness so much and for so long that it was a burden for her from the beginning. A relatively fresh face would probably help.
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When there are vast numbers of voters who feel like they are struggling economically, appealing to those voters' economic concerns is probably going to be a winning issue.
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I don't know about Texas flipping in 2020.  but georgia and arizona are closer now than virginia was the last time it went republican, so both of those are very plausible.
Yeah, I don't think it's particularly likely that Texas will flip in 2020, but it will at some point, and if 2020 happens to be a landslide (because Trump is so unpopular), it's definitely possible that could be the year it does.

ETA: My map is actually what this year would have looked like if Hillary had gotten about five more points (and Trump had gotten about five fewer points) across the board. I.e, not even a popular vote landslide (although a pretty big win), but would look like a huge electoral one.

ETA2: I guess it would be considered a popular vote landslide as such things go. It would be more than Bush beat Dukakis by, but less than Reagan beat Mondale by.
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For a bit of fun, silly optimism, if Trump sucks enough, this is actually a plausible 2020 map:



I know you're looking at Texas and thinking wtf, but it was actually closer than Iowa this year and nearly as close as Ohio, and the demographics there keep getting more favorable to Democrats. It's definitely within reach. If there's a Democratic landslide in a not-too-distant election, there's a good chance it will look something like the above.
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Matthew 5
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27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. 31 "It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

It's really amazing to me how many "Christians" look at the Creation story as if it's a set of instructions for them to follow (must believe literally or go to hell) but then look at the Sermon on the Mount as if it's a work of literature for them to interpret (eh, he didn't really mean it that way). How is it possible to get it that backwards?

But this whole discussion of "what the Bible says" is mostly window dressing anyway. The gist of the story, by which no one here should be at all surprised, is that Dave essentially got excommunicated for DaveHasToBeRightism. He did something that was clearly morally wrong, clearly against the church's teachings, and was asked to repent, as anyone who did the same would be. And if he had, he would have been welcomed back into the church, as anyone would have been. Instead, he dug his heels in, as he does with absolutely every little thing, no matter how trivial, and no matter how stupid and wrong he is about it, and tried to justify his clearly immoral behavior with random biblical verses rather than simply repenting. So he was kicked out of church. What an injustice! And what a shock.
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You forgot Austria. And Australia, for that matter, although it's not as extreme here.

Then there's Hungary IIRC, and Poland, and...
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I feel like if there was anything left for me to be surprised that Dave doesn't understand, it would have been the Bible, but I just can't seem to be surprised that Dave doesn't understand something anymore, even the thing his entire worldview is ostensibly based on.
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I think, for a lot of them, it's even simpler than that. They didn't like what was happening to them over the last eight years with a Democrat in the White House, so they voted for the Republican in the hopes that things would be different. Change for the sake of change. Actual policies had very little to do with it. A lot of the same people likely voted for Obama in 2008 for the same reason.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
It depends very much on the school, and that goes for both private schools and public schools. The quality of public schools varies to a ridiculous amount depending largely on the affluence of the school district. But yeah, public funds would definitely be better spent improving public schools than sending kids to private schools.
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I  cant link atm but cbc.ca has a story about a seaweed that, included in cattle feed, reduces methane production to almost nothing.
Do you think Dave would call that a holistic big button designed for us to press, or a reductionist idea that would only jack with nature in ways that would ultimately harm us? I honestly have no idea, and I suspect it depends not at all on any thoughts he might have about the idea itself, but entirely on whether he classifies the people he perceives the idea as coming from as being on his side or on the other side.
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also, sanders is kinda starting to piss me off: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502437435/sanders-trump-will-have-an-ally-with-me-if-he-stands-up-to-corporate-america

like why are you just going right ahead and vindicating that dumb bullshit from the primaries about how you and trump are basically the same guy. saying you'll be his ally? even conditionally? ffs.

Yeah! He should be saying he'll oppose him no matter what he wants to do, even if he agrees with it, just like the republicans did for 8 years with Obama! Nothing should ever get done!

I'm pretty annoyed with him trying to lecture the Democratic party and Democrats in general since he immediately went back to being ~independent~ after getting beaten in the primary.

Why won't he play for our team?!

Jesus Christ this shit is why nothing ever fucking changes.
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yeah I thought I caught that earlier. but I've online-known you for like years and didn't realize it. anyways, not relevant but cool to know I'm not the only one here.
I am too, fwiw.
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you guys realize that Romney would have limited ability to control Trump's domestic policy, which is where the majority of his ability to do evil would take place, right?
As far as I know, this is the first time his name has been floated for any position in Trump's administration at all. Any time there's news that Trump is even considering a non-crazy for anything, I'm having a small celebration (for a small victory).
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Romney for SoS?

that would certainly be a relief.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reports-romney-trump-meeting-sunday
If it's between him and Giuliani, then god I hope it's him. Would definitely be a baby step toward sanity.