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When he first started talking about opening up the canopy 50% or whatever, was he talking about cutting down every other tree? Or is that just what I was picturing? Has it always been about these stripes? I'm not sure which is worse, but I feel like probably the stripes are. I feel like the rainforest would have a chance at recovery if it was what I was originally picturing. Not so much with the stripes.
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I kinda wonder how much of this comes back to Dave's idiotic notion that the amount of vegetation in an area controls the amount of rainfall. Like does he think if you cut down a certain amount of trees in the rainforest, the amount of rainfall will drop to Missouri levels?
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The whole fucking enchilada with HMG is to mimic Nature's designs, a great example of which is found in the rainforest.

Why the fuck do you think HMG ranchers don't have to apply bagged fertilizers to make their pastures super productive, so productive that they can support two and three times the conventional stocking rates?

It's because they are following Nature's designs, a great example of which can be found in the rainforest.

Good Lord, you people are so brainwashed it's pathetic!
Nature's design for rainforests is for them to be forest, Dave, not pasture. Cutting down the trees to convert rainforest to pasture is not in any way mimicking nature's design.
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I'm pretty sure that the answer to my question has nothing to do with the types of plants because there are a zillion different types of plants in the rainforest. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the healthy soil.
You really think it's just totally random that certain plants happen to grow in certain environments, don't you? Or does that even cross your mind?
Logic fail
Yeah, that's what I was pointing out.
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I'm pretty sure that the answer to my question has nothing to do with the types of plants because there are a zillion different types of plants in the rainforest. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the healthy soil.
You really think it's just totally random that certain plants happen to grow in certain environments, don't you? Or does that even cross your mind?
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I guess part of being NDK is always assuming your current level of knowledge of any subject is the current level of knowledge of all experts in the field.

ETA: Or higher.
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I don't really care about your loaded questions and GIGO thought experiments, Dave.
It's not a thought experiment. I actually encountered bare soil and I actually applied the principles that I am preaching and actually solved it.
Did you measure the amount of soil "uppening"? Do you know it wouldn't have happened (or happened as much) by any other method? Do you know the results would be the same under different conditions?
Now do you want to understand it? Or do you just want to go on forever saying you don't understand and no one ever explained it to you? If you want to understand, then the first step is to answer my question that I asked.
No, it's really not.
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I have spent years on US military bases; they are not concentration camps, as some liberal media would have you think!
Those kids will have the best food they have ever eaten in their lives, all the ice cream they can eat and round-the-clock care and supervision. I bet a lot of them will not want to leave!
Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm sure kids taken from their parents will never want to see them again!

Most of the kids that are moved to military bases are unaccompanied or accompanied by people other than their parents. Don't make it sound as if babies are being ripped from their mother's breast.

And a lot of those kids will be better off on the bases than where they are now.

Did you forget what this discussion was about?
Iirc, the children Obama's gov't was trying to house were a really large influx of unaccompanied children. (In fact, you can read about it here:)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2014/07/22/where-is-the-obama-administration-housing-the-immigrant-kids/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.35ea8b47f102

In Trump's case, the government is talking of routinely separating children from their parents when they cross the border seeking asylum, and is calling it a 'deterrent' - iow, taking children from their mothers as punishment for seeking asylum, even if it turns out these families do qualify for some kind of status in the US.

I hope you can see the difference.
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I don't really care about your loaded questions and GIGO thought experiments, Dave.
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There are significant patches of bare soil in your pasture? It hasn't looked that way from any of your pictures. It's looked pretty well covered to me.
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"How grazing a certain way is supposed to add material to soil to any noticeable degree though, I have no idea."

Yes I know. And it's sad that you have no idea, given the number of times I've explained it.
It would help if your explanations were actually explanations rather than just slogans. it would help more if you supported them with evidence.
Alright Ben, I'll help you out. Let's start at first base. Answer a question for me please. Which is better for the soil? Leaving standing dead vegetation with spaces of bare soil around it? Or somehow getting that standing dead vegetation to lie down on top of those bare spaces of soil?
Jeez, how much can you load a single question? Why are we assuming there are significant patches of bare soil? Why are we assuming none of the dead vegetation is going to get onto those patches naturally?
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"How grazing a certain way is supposed to add material to soil to any noticeable degree though, I have no idea."

Yes I know. And it's sad that you have no idea, given the number of times I've explained it.
It would help if your explanations were actually explanations rather than just slogans. it would help more if you supported them with evidence.
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Anyway, Trump himself says they're "breaking families" (although he claims the Dems and their laws force him to do it). So it seems that the fact itself is not in dispute, but the reason behind it is.
LOL. Wow. No one but the most blind Trump-worshiper could possibly buy that at this point. Blaming the party that has virtually no power to make laws when your party has been in almost complete control of the government for a year and a half is beyond pathetic.

And of course, like most of what Trump says, it's a complete lie anyway. There is no law that mandates the separation of migrant families.
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"uppening"

We all have those moments where we forget common words, but still. He could have used "increased" or even "go up," in that sentence. I'm going to forgive "uppen," because it's a creative substitute for various common terms which might have slipped memory.
Well, he didn't make it up himself. I've seen it used elsewhere, though mostly for what happens to soil when you add more soil, or fertilizer, or mulch to it. Though Dave isn't the only one out there claiming it'll somehow happen if you graze a certain way either. How grazing a certain way is supposed to add material to soil to any noticeable degree though, I have no idea. As usual with this HMG stuff, I'm sure it's better for the land than plowing, or grazing without giving the land a break, but I still haven't seen any solid evidence that it's any better than traditional rotational grazing, or crop rotation, or just leaving the land alone.
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Here's a nice dumbed down version of some of the key essentials of what Dr. Pat Richardson is saying ...

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Living Soil-Why We Want to Be Outnumbered
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Plant roots bring up mineral nutrients above ground, making vegetation, but they do not accomplish this by themselves. They actually need livestock to cycle minerals.
LOL. Nobody tell the hostas in my garden. I'm afraid they'll stop growing once they realize I haven't had any cattle eat and trample them.

Of course that quote doesn't actually mean what it says...

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There are livestock of all kinds--microfauna (microscopic animals, fungi, and bacteria), mesofauna (macroscopic soil invertebrates such as earthworms and nemotodes), and megafauna (large animals).

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https://holisticmanagement.org/in_practice/living-soil-why-we-want-to-be-outnumbered/
Wow! Dave isn't the only one who makes up his own definitions of words, huh?
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I have spent years on US military bases; they are not concentration camps, as some liberal media would have you think!
Those kids will have the best food they have ever eaten in their lives, all the ice cream they can eat and round-the-clock care and supervision. I bet a lot of them will not want to leave!
Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm sure kids taken from their parents will never want to see them again!
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Of course this is hardly the first study to find such a connection, as the authors themselves note. I posted links to several others in one of the other FX denial vanity threads. This is definitely the most specific as far as effects on the continental U.S. though.
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Which one tried it in the rainforest?

The Godfather, Allan Savory, has done it in Zimbabwe ... similar climate with rainy season and dry season.

You know ... where Testy's firehose washes all the soil away?
LOL. Zimbabwe isn't even close to rainforest, Dave.
I don't know of anyone who has actually done exactly what I am proposing in the Amazon rainforest.
So how do you "know" it works there?
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Which one tried it in the rainforest?
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But you do think that embassies get relocated according to who butters who else's bread?
Yes, I do think that's a factor.
Do you think that Guatemala would have relocated their embassy if they thought Washington would have disapproved?
If it's "the principle of the thing", why didn't they do it years ago?

Maybe they just needed someone to start the ball rolling. Do you think Washington is going to pay them for moving their embassy?

lol, just lol.

Peez
Seriously LOL at getting the ball rolling. I wonder how many countries Heinz thinks are now going to move their embassies to Jerusalem. All seven of the countries (other than the U.S. and Israel) that voted against the UN motion urging Trump not to do it? Five of them maybe? Or is he deluded/ignorant enough to think that countries that just condemned the move are suddenly going to be repeating it en masse?
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A motor that's making the belt go sideways. Not up and down.
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I am beginning to see liberals as the most dishonest people on the planet.
LOL. People disagree with me politically. That must mean everyone who shares their political beliefs are THE MOST DISHONEST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!!
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Well I did say "apparently." But you do keep comparing the wheel resting on the treadmill to a pulley. For example, here:
In fact, any wheel deformation will make it much more difficult for the belt to spin the wheel.


Why?

Try spinning a brick with a belt and see for yourself.

Engineers go to great lengths to see that pulleys are as round as possible and usually made of rigid metal.

Pulley deformation is unwanted. Can you even guess why?
And you also have said...
Initially, the cart is held down on the belt, to get the wheels and propeller spinning, and the act of holding the cart down overcomes the reaction force. But, once the cart is released, the reaction force will push the wheels away from the belt, causing a loss of traction.
 With reduced traction, propeller thrust briefly exceeds wheel brake force and the cart can advance on the belt. But, whatever goes up must come back down, and the wheels will once again make contact, briefly, with the belt and the cart regains some or all of the energy used in the brief advance up the belt. This results in a cyclic action of the cart periodically advancing during reduction in wheel drag and periodically regaining traction and recovering energy.
That certainly sounds like a perpetual-motion trampoline. Why wouldn't it eventually stop losing traction?

And as far as the part about it functioning as a moving surface, you sure don't seem eager to analyze it as such.