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You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes, you've said that more than once. However, you've yet to even begin to show that your understanding of this topic is superior to mine, nor have you done anything to actually support your assertions. Indeed, your apparent claim that the concept of "public accommodation" is only relevant to the ADA is a glaring falsehood. It's pretty clear that your posts in this thread addressed to me are just lame trolling. If you at least exerted yourself enough to show a spark of wit, I could respect that.
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Yes, the potential conflict is go read about the civil rights act, the ADA, and protected classes and what the constitutional power is that is the basis for them.

Non-answer. If you knew the specifics of the conflict, you wouldn't be assigning me homework to try to discover it for you. I haven't invoked suspect classes or "protected classes."  I've pointed to the concept of public accommodation and its relevance to the state law. The state has decided it has an interest in protecting the rights of breastfeeding mothers in regards to public accommodations. Are you claiming that the state's decision is unconstitutional? If so, on what basis? Are you aware of any successful challenge to this sort of law (which exists in the statutes of nearly every state in the US)?
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State law is not really relevant to the extent it conflicts with constitutional rights.  "Accommodation" refers to the ADA, which has the same type of constraints as the civil rights act.

"Public accommodation" is a relevant concept in regard to much more than the ADA.

Can you cite any possible conflict between this particular state law and constitutional rights?
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The property rights belong in the same place all "property rights" are with respect to commercial activity in view of the civil rights act.  Which is not to say the answer is clear there.

"Commercial activity" is a rather vague category, while "public accommodation" is much less so. In regard to public accommodations (definitely including public restaurants) decisions by the Supreme Court of the United States have clarified the matter considerably.

It also is clear that the state in which this incident took place has a law protecting the right of a woman to breastfeed her child "in any location, public or private, where the woman and child are otherwise authorized to be." The opinion of the doofus Rob Port about the primacy of property rights in this case is empty blithering.
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Christmas is over, but Darwimas is right around the corner!  :clap:

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I am not in a position to say that Lincoln was the worst president in US history. I suspect that Lincoln wanted to do good for the country and I suspect he worked very hard to try to do what he believed was the right thing. I do believe it was a mistake to not let the South go and secede peacefully. I think eradicating slavery could have been accomplished in better ways. I think his critical bad decision that Lit the fire of the war was the decision to resupply Fort Sumter. I think he should have said hey, South Carolina has a right to secede, and it doesn't make sense for the feds to own property there anymore, let them have Fort Sumter. I also think he had no idea what the human cost of War would be.

Lincoln did let the South secede peacefully. In fact South Carolina had seceded before he was inaugurated, and it was clear that more southern states would follow. In his inaugural address Lincoln said:

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The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality shall be so great and universal as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the Government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating and so nearly impracticable withal that I deem it better to forego for the time the uses of such offices. . . . In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The Government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in heaven to destroy the Government, while I shall have the most solemn one to "preserve, protect, and defend it."

Lincoln kept his word; the Civil War did not begin because the US government attacked the South, rather the South attacked the US government. If the South had not attacked it seems clear that Lincoln would have worked to bring about a peaceful reversal of secession.
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What a mighty fortress is willful ignorance.  :awgee:
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Furthermore, what would the effect of the north holding political power be?
Would they make the south stop slavery perhaps?

By an act of Congress, I don't think so. 

By Presidential Proclamation (Executive Order), sure.  That is what the Emancipation Proclamation was, but it only applied to ten states under the War Powers Act.  It probably couldn't be challenged during the war (not really sure), but maybe could have been after hostilities ceased.  It took the 13th Amendment to actually end slavery in the U.S.

During peacetime the Emancipation Proclamation would basically have been unconstitutional. It was issued as a war measure by Lincoln in his capacity as Commander in Chief. See 10 Facts: The Emancipation Proclamation
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And furthermore: Dave, why do you think the South was concerned about the North holding political power?

Why do you think the South should have had more power than the North?

Given that the South was given congressional (at 3/5) for the non-voting slaves, they had more power per voting citizen in the South than any voting citizen in the north.  Voting citizen being only white males.

Yeahbut TheYummyCod on debate.org said that "The South was being underrepresented in Congress," citing the completely trustworthy and unbiased Robert Rhett, so there.
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 :hmm:  There will be plenty of scope for intellectual dishonesty once Dave Hawkins discovers that only four seceding states issued declarations of causes.  :happydance:
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That  account is "protected" now. Franson got some rather negative reactions last month for tweeting anti-transgender bullshit. I guess she's got Trumpitis, and can't help herself from tweeting out stupid crap. As far as I've been able to learn this is something about high school students asking to meet with her, and being rebuffed.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
"shift NASA's resources" sounds like they want to cut science to pay for it.  manned spaceflight is great.  as long as it isn't taking money away from science.

guessing the first thing to go will be the lying climatologists.

yeah this seems plausible. it actually sounded kinda cool so i wasn't sure what the real horrible agenda actually is even though i knew there had to be one.

Cutting back on NASA's climate science work is more than likely part of this, but . . .

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"Imagine the possibility waiting in those big beautiful stars if we dare to dream big. That's what our country is doing again, we're dreaming big," the president said, with Apollo 17 moonwalker Harrison Schmitt, Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin and other key space program officials looking on.

"This is a giant step toward that inspiring future and toward reclaiming America's proud destiny in space and space has so much to do with so many other applications including a military application."

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Computers and Technology / Re: AI playing Go
DeepMind's AlphaZero is now trouncing chess and shogi programs, being "self-taught" in both.

"DeepMind's AI became a superhuman chess player in a few hours, just for fun" | The Verge

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The end-game for Google's AI subsidiary DeepMind was never beating people at board games. It's always been about creating something akin to a combustion engine for intelligence -- a generic thinking machine that can be applied to a broad range of challenges. The company is still a long way off achieving this goal, but new research published by its scientists this week suggests they're at least headed down the right path.

In the paper, DeepMind describes how a descendant of the AI program that first conquered the board game Go has taught itself to play a number of other games at a superhuman level. After eight hours of self-play, the program bested the AI that first beat the human world Go champion; and after four hours of training, it beat the current world champion chess-playing program, Stockfish. Then for a victory lap, it trained for just two hours and polished off one of the world's best shogi-playing programs named Elmo (shogi being a Japanese version of chess that's played on a bigger board).

One of the key advances here is that the new AI program, named AlphaZero, wasn't specifically designed to play any of these games. In each case, it was given some basic rules (like how knights move in chess, and so on) but was programmed with no other strategies or tactics. It simply got better by playing itself over and over again at an accelerated pace -- a method of training AI known as "reinforcement learning."

[Continues . . .]

That brief mention doesn't do credit to shogi, which is a fascinating game in which captured pieces become essentially "paratroops" for the capturing side.
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An interesting serendipity-- "Shortey" is damn close to "short eyes" which is prison slang for pedophiles. May he enjoy his stay in the hoosegow.
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Bloomberg has corrected its story of the 5th. Now says that Deutsche Bank has provided financial records of people associated with Trump.  :dunno:

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Corrects story published Dec. 5 that said Mueller "zeroed in" on Trump's business dealings.

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Churchill's famous exchange with Bessie Braddock was confirmed by a bodyguard who was present to witness it.



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Bessie Braddock MP: "Winston, you are drunk, and what's more you are disgustingly drunk."

WSC: Bessie, my dear, you are ugly, and what's more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.

As the author in the link above observes, Churchill was riffing off of WC Fields, but that doesn't detract from the story, in my opinion.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
JFC  This woman is a despicable human being.

She's floating the right wing line that Warren lies about her heritage. . . .

It's the full-on "lied about her heritage to advance her career" schtick that was debunked more than five years ago.

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If there's no easily located evidence that Warren has Native American ancestry, there's also no evidence Warren used her family story to boost herself into a Harvard job.

But then Sanders' job appears to be mostly about repeating and amplifying lies, so --
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Wow all CAPS. Poor Pingu.
But you folks started down this path - not me.
And you have company:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016028960200137X


Rushton's work is generally dismissed as being agenda-driven and faulty.

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Philippe Rushton, a psychology professor at the University of Western Ontario, has taken over the leadership of the Pioneer Fund following the recent death of its former administrator, Harry F. Weyher.

The Pioneer Fund was established in 1937 by the American white supremacist multimillionaire Wickliffe Draper and others who were supportive of Nazi race policies in Germany. The incorporation papers of the Fund states its policy to support the "procreation of the white colonial stock" and to finance research into "problems of race betterment" and "problems of heredity and eugenics in the human race."

One of the first actions of the Pioneer Fund was to pay for the distribution of a Nazi propaganda film, "Hereditary Defective" to high schools, colleges, and churches across the US. The film was produced by the Racial Political Office of the Nazi Party, and had been authorized directly by Adolf Hitler.

In the 1950s and 60s, the Fund aligned itself with white racist factions opposed to the desegregation of education. At the same time, Wickliffe Draper worked closely with the witch-hunting House Un-American Activities Committee, which was itself chaired by Pioneer Fund associate director, Francis E. Walter. In the Committee's interrogation of Paul Robeson, the famous African-American singer and Communist activist, Robeson asked Walter if he was trying to keep "decent people out of the country." Walter responded, "No, only your kind." Robeson said, "Colored people like myself." Walter again responded, "We are trying to make it easier to get rid of your kind, too."

Since the mid-1960s, Pioneer Fund money in the millions of dollars has bankrolled numerous racist and fascist psychologists - Rushton, Jensen, Cattell, Shuey, Eysenck, and many others - as well as William Shockley's scheme to pay African-Americans to have themselves "voluntarily" sterilized.

In the early 1970s, the Pioneer Fund paid the Foundation of Human Understanding to distribute hundreds of free copies of pamphlets by white supremacist psychologists Richard Herrnstein and Arthur Jensen to the registrars' offices of universities across the US in a blatant attempt to influence administration policies against the admittance of African-American students. This same tactic was employed in Canada in the late 1990s, when a Rushton pamphlet was mass-mailed to psychology and sociology professors across the country.

Rushton, referred to as "one of the most notorious race scientists in the world" by the Southern Poverty Law Center, has been a recipient of Pioneer Fund money for almost twenty years. In the year 2000 alone, tax records indicate that Rushton received $US 473,825 - approximately three-quarters of a million dollars in Canadian funds.

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Rushton has advanced a specific evolutionary genetic rationale for how gene frequencies are differentiated between the `races' relative to intelligence. He claims that human racial differences result from natural selection for particular reproductive strategies in the various racial groups. Rushton's theory is based entirely on the concept of r- and K-selection, first explicitly outlined by MacArthur and Wilson in 1967. This article examines both the flaws in the general theory, and specifically Rushton's application of that same theory to human data. It concludes that neither Rushton's use of the theory nor the data that he has assembled could possibly test any meaningful hypotheses concerning human evolution and/or the distribution of genetic variation relating to reproductive strategies or `intelligence', however defined.

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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
sessions having some integrity over this dumb idea of appointing a special counsel over the clinton / uranium one conspiracy theories

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/360292-sessions-wed-need-factual-basis-for-second-special-counsel-for

even if you take the conspiracy theories seriously, the special counsel idea doesn't make sense.  you appoint a special counsel to avoid conflicts of interest, because a regular prosecutor would be investigating someone above them in the chain of command.  hillary clinton is not in the chain of command.  so there's no reason to appoint a special counsel instead of a garden-variety counsel.

Nice juxtaposition; Boehner's description of Jordan as a "legislative terrorist" with the story about him attempting to browbeat Sessions into appointing a special counsel to investigate Clinton.  8)
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Wow. Didn't see that one coming.

The actual article is here. Mother Jones has a story about this. In response to an inquiry from Mother Jones the Trump Organization replied:

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There has been no "hack" within the Trump Organization and the domain names [in question] do not host active websites and do not have any content. Publishing anything to the contrary would be highly irresponsible. Moreover, we have no association with the "shadow domains" you reference...and are looking into your inquiry with our third party domain registrar. There is no malware detected on any of these domains and our security team takes any and all threats very seriously.
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Politics and Current Events / Re: Trumpocalypse
So what are the odds (really, and figuratively) that the trumpster fire will throw a tantrum, and attempt to fire Mueller?

If he does, which scenario is more likely to play out? Will the Senate actually have the balls to stand up to the administration and re-appoint Mueller? How does that work, is it just a committee, or does it take a vote of the full senate? (Or both, like most legislation?) It would be interesting to see if, even as much as the GOP seems to dislike the trumpster fire, just how much...will they be able to get the minumum of 3-5 senators to vote to reinstate the investigation?

I think that if Rosenstein were to fail to appoint a new special counsel, the only precedent for action from Congress is the Teapot Dome affair. The independent counsels in that case were appointed in response to a joint resolution (both houses of Congress).
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Computers and Technology / Re: AI playing Go
An addendum to the suggestions for a Go playing program. I came across the new version of Leela, a strong program for computers that is free, and have heard good things about it. It uses Chinese rules, but they aren't that much different from the Japanese rules that many American/European Go players know. A couple of the primary differences are that dame (neutral points) are generally all filled in the game, and prisoners aren't counted.
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Speaking of fascinating subjects, guess where else Science has found a blue halo. The intelligence of Nature truly is wonderful.  8)