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Even moderate drinking may dull the ageing brain
Regular drinkers may find their mental abilities beginning to slip as they age.

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Overall, the study found, people who regularly drank showed more atrophy in a brain region called the hippocampus, versus those who'd consistently been occasional drinkers or abstainers.

Hippocampus size is linked to memory, explained lead researcher Dr Anya Topiwala. Atrophy in that brain region, she said, is one of the early changes seen in Alzheimer's disease.

This study makes me feel...  < can't think of the word >

I wonder if someone who's conversant in neuropsych research and brain imaging wants to give us her expert opinion on this article.

Link to the research paper
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Ethyl alcohol is a poison.  No amount is safe.

The benefits of wine may not even outway the negative.  It's a problem.
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Perhaps you should consider refraining from being the kind of person that drives people to drink then.
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Regular drinkers may find their mental abilities beginning to slip as they age.

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Overall, the study found, people who regularly drank showed more atrophy in a brain region called the hippocampus, versus those who'd consistently been occasional drinkers or abstainers.

Hippocampus size is linked to memory, explained lead researcher Dr Anya Topiwala. Atrophy in that brain region, she said, is one of the early changes seen in Alzheimer's disease.

This study makes me feel...  < can't think of the word >

I wonder if someone who's conversant in neuropsych research and brain imaging wants to give us her expert opinion on this article.

Link to the research paper

I refuse to read a paper with such a depressing conclusion.
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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:rofl:  I know what you mean...
It's probably how YECs feel when contemplating high school science texts.  :(

I'm going to slog through it, though.
Perhaps over a beer.
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:rofl:  I know what you mean...
It's probably how YECs feel when contemplating high school science texts.  :(

I'm going to slog through it, though.
Perhaps over a beer.

Yeah.  Me too.  Although it's actually a nice Merlot.
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I'm not sure whether my short term memory is going to shit or whether I just don't bother mentally filing data I don't consider urgent, but it's noticeable. And I don't drink more than 2 to 4 drinks half a dozen times a year.

Conclusion: paper is bullshit.

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Reply #7
I like Merlot.

Gives me heartburn though. :(

  • Pingu
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There's also the issue that working memory is impaired by the sense of having too much bloody stuff to do, a sense appreciably ameliorated by a stiff glass of something.

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Ah, so I need a bottle of single malt in the cupboard. :yes:

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That's my real drinking problem - most of the things I like to drink are stupidly expensive here and I am if not stingy at least a bit over careful with my spending. :unsure:

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:rofl:  I know what you mean...
It's probably how YECs feel when contemplating high school science texts.  :(

I'm going to slog through it, though.
Perhaps over a beer.

Yeah.  Me too.  Although it's actually a nice Merlot.

My favourite grape, too. I like the pepperiness. Don't know if colonists are aware of Picpoul which makes a very quaffable white wine

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I know this is purely anecdotal and evidence for nothing, but what the hell.  My mom was never a drinker, was an avid puzzle solver (kinds I can't even do now), etc., in short, she did all the stuff that's supposed to keep your mind sharp.  When she was about 75 she started to suffer from Alzheimer's, by the time she died at 90 she was pretty much a vegetable.  Her brother was a complete lush for his whole adult life, lived to 95 and had a mind as sharp as a tack right up until the end.  (Of course, his thoroughly pickled organs eventually gave out, that's what killed him.)

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I know this is purely anecdotal and evidence for nothing, but what the hell.  My mom was never a drinker, was an avid puzzle solver (kinds I can't even do now), etc., in short, she did all the stuff that's supposed to keep your mind sharp.  When she was about 75 she started to suffer from Alzheimer's, by the time she died at 90 she was pretty much a vegetable.  Her brother was a complete lush for his whole adult life, lived to 95 and had a mind as sharp as a tack right up until the end.  (Of course, his thoroughly pickled organs eventually gave out, that's what killed him.)
The study indicates some pretty clear trends: there was significant, dose-dependent, decline in certain mental function tests (not in others), and (from MRI data) in hippocampal volume and white-matter integrity measures.
What I can't discern is how much "scatter" there is among individuals - i.e. what your anecdotal reports represent.
Maybe someone more conversant with statistics than I am (looking at you, Pingu) can extract a sense of that.

An interesting side-observation: while the rate of decline in multiple mental function scores was directly correlated with alcohol consumption, baseline scores were inversely correlated.

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Yes, that's a bit counter intuitive, isn't it?

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Yes, that's a bit counter intuitive, isn't it?
The authors speculate it might be responsible for other studies' conclusions that light alcohol consumption might actually be protective of brain function. You can see how you might conclude that if you just took a snapshot of the population in the first ten years or so, rather than looking at trends over time.
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I'd recommend Paul Torday's ]The Irresistible Inheritance of Wilberforce (though I think they retitled it Bordeaux for the US market) as a great antidote to addiction to wine.
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The different baseline levels confound too much, surely?

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Happy Rose Day all!

  • Pingu
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I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/11/jeremy-corbyn-labour-will-call-on-other-parties-to-defeat-government
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Jeremy Corbyn: Labour will call on other parties to defeat government

That's all very well and good, but what will he do about alcohol-induced dementia?  :toetap:
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Well, clearly whatever he does it's too late for me :(
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Reply #22
happy hour out on the patio is just not appealing now.


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Reply #23
you have to start bracing yourself for Old People Drinks - weak gin tonics for hot days, sherry after dinner, hot rum toddies, black tea with milk and a splash of whisky...

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Uh oh.
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