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Meaning of the name "Wai Wai"??
Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.

  • fredbear
  • Militantly Confused
Re: Meaning of the name "Wai Wai"??
Reply #1
It meant something like "people who eat yuccca" or something along those lines.
"...without considering any evidence at all - that my views are more likely - on average - to be correct.  Because the mainstream is almost always wrong" - Dave Hawkins

  • Pingu
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Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.

gawd Dave.

It means something that indicates that they are NOT "hunter gatherers".  Did you just Hawkins all the posts pointing this out?

I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #3
Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.

gawd Dave.

It means something that indicates that they are NOT "hunter gatherers".  Did you just Hawkins all the posts pointing this out?



This must have been thrust in his face about 20 times.  The usual memory of a gnat Hawkins.

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
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Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.

gawd Dave.

It means something that indicates that they are NOT "hunter gatherers".  Did you just Hawkins all the posts pointing this out?
He did, he did, and then totally ignored the list that came up. Easiest way to locate them and then ignore them.
Are we there yet?

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
Re: Meaning of the name "Wai Wai"??
Reply #5
Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.

gawd Dave.

It means something that indicates that they are NOT "hunter gatherers".  Did you just Hawkins all the posts pointing this out?



This must have been thrust in his face about 20 times.  The usual memory of a gnat Hawkins.
Bluffy has had so much thrust into his face on a daily basis for so long, he doesn't even notice the individual thrusts anymore.
Irrumatio forever.
Are we there yet?

  • Photon
  • I interfere with myself
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Reply #6
Some smart person here researched the meaning of the name "Wai Wai" ... the name of the people group in N. Brazil where my father was a missionary.  I can't remember what they came up with? 

Anyone remember?

Someone asked me and I can't recall the answer.
Eat tapioca much?

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Reply #7
It meant something like "people who eat yuccca" or something along those lines.
Source?

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Reply #8
They ARE hunter gatherers. They hunt. And they gather.  And they also eat cassava.

  • Sea Star
  • Not an octohatter
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Reply #9
They ARE hunter gatherers. They hunt. And they gather.  And they also eat cassava.
Where do they get the cassava?

  • Fenrir
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Reply #10
They ARE hunter gatherers. They hunt. And they gather.  And they also eat cassava.
Where do they get the cassava?

They hunt it.

Then they gather it.

Just like David hunts and then gathers Crispy Cremes.
It's what plants crave.

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Reply #11
They hunt.  They fish.  They gather wild fruits.  They also plant cassava.  And eat it.

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
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Reply #12
Seems to me if you really wanted to know what the name means, you could simply ask your good friends, the Wai Wai. Or perhaps your parents.
Are we there yet?

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
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Reply #13
Or, of course, you could deploy your much vaunted google-fu:
Quote
Wai Wai means "tapioca people" and they were given that name because of the enormous amount of the tapioca (cassava) they eat.
https://guyanathenandnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/the-wai-wai-tribe/
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Reply #14
Dave, as a general rule "hunter-gatherer" refers to peoples who do not practice any agriculture. Not people who practice agriculture and supplement it with hunting and gathering.
Why do I bother?

  • borealis
  • Administrator
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Reply #15
Otherwise most of my neighbours would be called hunter gatherers, even though most of their food comes from grocery stores, because many of them hunt deer and rabbits and birds, and gather berries.

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
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Reply #16
Otherwise most of my neighbours would be called hunter gatherers, even though most of their food comes from grocery stores, because many of them hunt deer and rabbits and birds, and gather berries.
Hey, I hunt for food at the local Freddies and gather it up in my Odyssey to bring it back to the tribe.

Is there some reason I have to hunt for my food in specific locations? I mean, if I raid a honey bee hive, how is that fundamentally different from raiding the Honey Aisle at Freddies? How is using my Odyssey to take me around to my various hunting grounds not consistent with being a hunter/gatherer.

True, I try not to kill other creatures (other than the odd bug) with my hunting and gathering. But I still have to go to some place with plenty of game to obtain the food my tribe needs. What does it matter if I teleport there or drive my Odyssey or walk?
Are we there yet?

  • Pingu
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Reply #17
They ARE hunter gatherers. They hunt. And they gather.  And they also eat cassava.

Like a person who eats meat AND vegetables IS a vegetarian. ::)
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • Pingu
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Reply #18
Seriously, Dave, "hunter-gatherer" is an category in anthropology that denotes a culture that lives primarily by hunting and gathering.  Other terms include "pastoralist" and "agriculturalist".  A culture named for the farmed food that they eat is, by definition, an agriculturalist culture, not a hunter-gatherer culture.  Unless you think that the Wai Wai were only called "tapioca eaters" because they ate tapioca very occasionally?

You appear to be advocating a pastoralist diet on the basis that hunter-gatherer diets are healthy, look at the health of my friends the agriculturalists.

Those three kinds of diets are VERY DIFFERENT.
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #19
Dave, as a general rule "hunter-gatherer" refers to peoples who do not practice any agriculture. Not people who practice agriculture and supplement it with hunting and gathering.
I would say that the Wai Wai practice hunting and gathering primarily and supplement with agriculture.  In any case, thanks for the research on the meaning of the name.

  • Pingu
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Reply #20
Dave, as a general rule "hunter-gatherer" refers to peoples who do not practice any agriculture. Not people who practice agriculture and supplement it with hunting and gathering.
I would say that the Wai Wai practice hunting and gathering primarily and supplement with agriculture.  In any case, thanks for the research on the meaning of the name.

Dave, "googling" =/= research.

And I suggest that a culture that takes its name from an agriculturally produced food is an agriculturalist culture.
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #21
For what it's worth,  I'm not at all convinced that this blogger knows what he's talking about with respect to his claim about the Wai Wai name.   My earliest recollection from my father's conversations with the people themselves is that it means something along the lines of "the people." Also the primitive root "wai" in the Wai Wai language means "to sweep."  So for example, "I sweep" is "waiwesi."

  • Pingu
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Reply #22
For what it's worth,  I'm not at all convinced that this blogger knows what he's talking about with respect to his claim about the Wai Wai name.  My earliest recollection from my father's conversations with the people themselves is that it means something along the lines of "the people." Also the primitive root "wai" in the Wai Wai language means "to sweep."  So for example, "I sweep" is "waiwesi."

Which "blogger" are you talking about?

There are numerous sources online that give the origin of the name as meaning "tapioca people".

Of course the sources are probably not independent, and the primary source may not be correct. 

But even IF that source is wrong, there is copious evidence from anthropologists that cassava cultivation has been part of Wai Wai culture for millenia.

Which would make them "agriculturalists" not "hunter-gatherers"
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • Pingu
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Reply #23
Here is an interesting article about cassava cultivation, including the Wai Wai's use of cassava:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/19438150903090509
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #24
You scientists are so black-and-white about everything.  You can argue all day long whether to label the Wai Wai as agriculturalists or as hunter gatherers, but the truth of the matter is they are mostly hunter gatherers and a little bit agriculturalist.  If you did an octohatter study I think you would find that most of their calories come from hunting and fishing and palm fruit which grows wild.   This would especially be true of newly established villages, for which there would be no cassava fields for at least one year and maybe two years. Growing cassava is hard work. And preparing that cassava into bread and drink is also hard work.  Hunting and gathering is just easier and more fun.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
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Reply #25
You can argue all day long whether to label the Wai Wai as agriculturalists or as hunter gatherers
   :ironicat:
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

  • Pingu
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Reply #26
You scientists are so black-and-white about everything. 

no u
You can argue all day long whether to label the Wai Wai as agriculturalists or as hunter gatherers, but the truth of the matter is they are mostly hunter gatherers and a little bit agriculturalist.

Well you could argue all day, I guess.  But the normal meaning of "hunter gatherer" is not generally understood to include people whose VERY NAME reflects a culture based on a staple FARMED crop.

You are davinating again.


  If you did an octohatter study I think you would find that most of their calories come from hunting and fishing and palm fruit which grows wild. 

How do you know?  Wouldn't you have to do an octohatter study to find out?

In any case, it is irrelevant, because "hunter gatherer" is a descriptor based on lifestyle, not "proportion of calories".  If people farm, that has big implications for their settlement patterns, for instance.  The Wai Wai have been farmers for millenia.

This would especially be true of newly established villages, for which there would be no cassava fields for at least one year and maybe two years. Growing cassava is hard work. And preparing that cassava into bread and drink is also hard work. 

Yes.  Which is why there is such an extensive set of cultural traditions associated with it, including Wai Wai technology for making cassava edible.
Hunting and gathering is just easier and more fun.

Why don't you do it then?
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #27
The Wai Wais have not been farmers for millennia. They have been hunter gatherers for millennia.  How do I know their eating patterns? I lived there for about eight years. And my dad has lived there for many more years than that.  Why don't I live a hunter gatherer lifestyle?  Because a pastoral lifestyle is even easier than a hunter gatherer lifestyle.  Which in turn is a lot easier than an agricultural (tillage) lifestyle.

  • Pingu
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Reply #28
The Wai Wais have not been farmers for millennia. They have been hunter gatherers for millennia. 

Well, anthropologists disagree.
How do I know their eating patterns? I lived there for about eight years.

But not for millenia.

And my dad has lived there for many more years than that. 

But not for millenia.

Why don't I live a hunter gatherer lifestyle?  Because a pastoral lifestyle is even easier than a hunter gatherer lifestyle.  Which in turn is a lot easier than an agricultural (tillage) lifestyle.

Whatever.
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
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Reply #29
I doubt that anyone - including the Wai Wai themselves - know the history of the Wai Wai for millennia wrt details like how much farming they did. 
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Reply #30
^^^^

  • VoxRat
  • wtactualf
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Reply #31
The Wai Wais have not been farmers for millennia.
I doubt that anyone - including the Wai Wai themselves - know the history of the Wai Wai for millennia wrt details like how much farming they did.
^^^^
"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

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Reply #32
I agree with you.

(For once)

  • RAFH
  • Have a life, already.
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Reply #33
Seems to me if you really wanted to know what the name means, you could simply ask your good friends, the Wai Wai. Or perhaps your parents.

Worth repeating. After all, who would know better what their own name means to them?



BTW, Bluffy, those eight years you spent living with the Wai Wai, how old were you at the time? It was certainly not as an adult. So, perhaps your impressions of their lifestyle was not as considered as it might have been. And, that was, what, at least 40 years ago. Again, perhaps your memories have lost some fidelity?
Are we there yet?

  • Pingu
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Reply #34
I agree with you.

(For once)

So why so confident that they have not?

Evidence that it has been going on a long time (and for millenia in S America if not the Wai Wai specifically as a cultural group) comes from evidence that cassava has undergone artificial selection in S America, as well as evidence in the culture of the Wai Wai themselves, including traditional techniques, cultural habits, and technology used for growing and processing cassava.

Where do you think they got that from if they hadn't had a long tradition of cassava cultivation?

Read that article I linked to.
I have a Darwin-debased mind.

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Reply #35
You scientists are so black-and-white about everything.  You can argue all day long whether to label the Wai Wai as agriculturalists or as hunter gatherers, but the truth of the matter is they are mostly hunter gatherers and a little bit agriculturalist.  If you did an octohatter study I think you would find that most of their calories come from hunting and fishing and palm fruit which grows wild.   This would especially be true of newly established villages, for which there would be no cassava fields for at least one year and maybe two years. Growing cassava is hard work. And preparing that cassava into bread and drink is also hard work.  Hunting and gathering is just easier and more fun.
Not enough game.
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Re: Meaning of the name "Wai Wai"??
Reply #36
You scientists are so black-and-white about everything.  You can argue all day long whether to label the Wai Wai as agriculturalists or as hunter gatherers, but the truth of the matter is they are mostly hunter gatherers and a little bit agriculturalist.  If you did an octohatter study I think you would find that most of their calories come from hunting and fishing and palm fruit which grows wild.  This would especially be true of newly established villages, for which there would be no cassava fields for at least one year and maybe two years. Growing cassava is hard work. And preparing that cassava into bread and drink is also hard work.  Hunting and gathering is just easier and more fun.
Not enough game.
True.  It does tend to get depleted pretty quickly soon after they establish new villages.

Pastoralism.

It's the ticket.

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Reply #37
The Wai Wais have not been farmers for millennia. They have been hunter gatherers for millennia.  How do I know their eating patterns? I lived there for about eight years. And my dad has lived there for many more years than that.  Why don't I live a hunter gatherer lifestyle?  Because a pastoral lifestyle is even easier than a hunter gatherer lifestyle.  Which in turn is a lot easier than an agricultural (tillage) lifestyle.
Citation needed.

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Reply #38
 Citation for what? Be specific.

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Reply #39
Citation for what? Be specific.
Try for example
They have been hunter gatherers for millennia.
a pastoral lifestyle is even easier than a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
Which in turn is a lot easier than an agricultural (tillage) lifestyle.

Re: Meaning of the name "Wai Wai"??
Reply #40
Citation for what? Be specific.
They were certainly eating substantial amounts of cassava when you were a kid there (as they had already been named for the amount of cassava they ate) so you would need to establish evidence that at some earlier time they were not extensively growing cassava. I've done done a bit of googling, but everything I've found is that they have been growing cassava for as long as they have been known to the outside world. When was there pre agricultural period?