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Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1650
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
This is the part of the Out of Middle East theory that has no supporting evidence, at all.

  • uncool
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1651
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
Nope. It's just the part we haven't chosen to explain in excruciating detail to you.

Of course, there is also mtDNA evidence. Any reason why you're suddenly discounting it?

I'm sure we all know the reason.

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1652
As an important sidenote, almost all the genes of modern humans are the same as Neanderthals. Not just the 1-5% that is often mentioned.

https://www.livescience.com/1122-neanderthal-99-5-percent-human.html
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The results from the new studies confirm the Neanderthal's humanity, and show that their genomes and ours are more than 99.5 percent identical, differing by only about 3 million bases.
"This is a drop in the bucket if you consider that the human genome is 3 billion bases," said Edward Rubin of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, who led one of the research teams.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/267388
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The genome sequence of Neanderthal shows that humans' and Neanderthals' genomes are 99.5 percent identical.
It took four years for the researchers to sequence 3.7 billion base pairs in the Neanderthal genome, out of which they have read only about 60 percent of the genes.
Initial analysis shows that humans and Neanderthal share the same version of a "language gene" called FOXP2 according to team leader Svante Pääbo from Max Planck Institute. This gene helps develop the language skills in the species implying that Neanderthal could talk as well as humans.

What most recent common ancestor did humans evolve from in the Out of Africa theory?
What level of identicalness to humans genes did it have?
I do not expect an answer to this. It is obvious that no other candidate ancestor will be a better candidate than Neanderthal. It is also great that the researchers showed the mtDNA of Neanderthals to be so close to humans. That could be predicted.
Do people remember just how incredibly similar Neanderthal mtDNA is to modern human?
No people do not remember that. It is not incredible that two organisms with a recent common ancestor are very similar.



  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1653
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1654
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
Determining ancestry from the shapes of bone fragments is tricky.
Determining ancestry from DNA is another story.
When it comes to ancestry, there is no evidence superior to DNA.





  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1655
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
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The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1656
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
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The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1657
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
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The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]


  • Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 08:44:30 AM by socrates1

  • uncool
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1658
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Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

Ahahahahahahahaha

Just like you know mtDNA better than us. Right?

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1659
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.

Doug, I've just checked yours and your uncle's DNA and they're incredibly similar!!

Hate to break it to you, but it looks like your mum has been fucking your uncle and you were the hateful seed of their loins.

I won't ask what side of the family the uncle is from.

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1660
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



What you find again and again is that they begin with the Out of Africa theory and then fit the evidence to the theory.

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1661
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



What you find again and again is that they begin with the Out of Africa theory and then fit the evidence to the theory.

But why??

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1662
Herto



  • uncool
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1663
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



What you find again and again is that they begin with the Out of Africa theory and then fit the evidence to the theory.
Interesting. You made the same claim about mtDNA evidence, and were shown to be wrong. Why should we believe you now?

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1664
uncool forgets that I showed that you cannot compare Neanderthal mtDNA to claimed first humans in Central Africa. But no use going over that again. What the study does show is that Neanderthal mtDNA is incredibly close to human.

  • uncool
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1665
uncool forgets that I showed that you cannot compare Neanderthal mtDNA to claimed first humans in Central Africa. But no use going over that again. What the study does show is that Neanderthal mtDNA is incredibly close to human.

You didn't "show" anything. You said it, then refused to engage with anyone who pointed out just how stupid that was.

But even that's irrelevant. You still said that the chart in the article was based on an assumption of out-of-Africa. And you were shown that that was false. So I ask you again: why should we believe you now?
  • Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 09:23:21 AM by uncool

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1666
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



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Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]
But where are the actual anatomically modern humans, in Africa?

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1667
I believe you can find them throughout the continent.

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1668
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
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The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



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Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]
But where are the actual anatomically modern humans, in Africa?

Where are the first actual anatomically modern humans in Africa? There does not seem to be anything published on this!

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1669
I doubt there's anything published on the first actual speaker of modern French either.

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  • I interfere with myself
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1670
I doubt there's anything published on the first actual speaker of modern French either.
But the first Portuguese speaker was fluent in both French and Spanish, and decided to mash those fuckers together.  Dave told me so.

  • socrates1
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1671
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



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Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]
But where are the actual anatomically modern humans, in Africa?

Where are the first actual anatomically modern humans in Africa? There does not seem to be anything published on this!
The Out of Africa theory claims that the first modern human evolved in Africa. But they have no evidence whatever of that claimed first human. That alone makes the theory suspect.

  • uncool
Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1672
Wrong.

We still have mtDNA evidence.

Feel free to ask about it any time.

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1673
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



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Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]
But where are the actual anatomically modern humans, in Africa?

Where are the first actual anatomically modern humans in Africa? There does not seem to be anything published on this!
The Out of Africa theory claims that the first modern human evolved in Africa. But they have no evidence whatever of that claimed first human. That alone makes the theory suspect.
If you are trying to look smart, it's not working.
  • Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 11:53:14 AM by Saunt Taunga

Re: Oldest Human Remains
Reply #1674
borealis refers to a point when Neanderthals diverged from a line that is claimed to have led to humans in Africa. But there is no evidence of a such a line leading to humans in Africa. No fossil evidence, no DNA evidence and no mtDNA evidence.
But if anyone can provide such evidence, please do. If you would start with fossil evidence, that would be great.
This is the part of the Out of Africa theory that is quite undocumented.
There is some vague claims that the first modern humans evolved from Homo Heidelbergensis or some other African line. And then there are the claimed early modern humans Herto and Omo. That is about it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_heidelbergensis
Quote
The Homo heidelbergensis (Homo rhodesiensis) population that remained in Africa evolved into anatomically modern humans between 300,000 and 200,000 years ago, then migrated into Europe and Asia in a second wave at some point between 125,000 and 60,000 years ago.[13][14][15][16][17]
Is there any fossil evidence for this claim? Nobody has ever presented any such fossil evidence.
Since I know this topic better than you folks let me help you:

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_idaltu
Homo sapiens idaltu (Afar: Idaltu; "elder" or "first born"[1]), also called Herto Man,[1] is the name given to a number of hominin fossils found in 1997 in Herto Bouri, Ethiopia. They date to around 160,000 years ago.[2]
Paleoanthropologists determined that the skeletal finds belong to an extinct subspecies of Homo sapiens which lived in Pleistocene Africa since the fossils possess some archaic cranial traits that are uncommon among anatomically modern humans. They also generally lack the derived features of classic Neanderthals. Homo sapiens idaltu are morphologically similar to both archaic African fossils and subsequent anatomically modern humans of the Late Pleistocene. Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]



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Because of their early dating and unique physical characteristics, they are believed to represent the immediate ancestors of anatomically modern humans, as suggested by the Out-of-Africa theory.[1][3]
But where are the actual anatomically modern humans, in Africa?

Where are the first actual anatomically modern humans in Africa? There does not seem to be anything published on this!
The Out of Africa theory claims that the first modern human evolved in Africa. But they have no evidence whatever of that claimed first human. That alone makes the theory suspect.
If you are trying to look smart, it's not working.
Did you understand the point about the first speaker of modern French? And why it was made?
  • Last Edit: March 20, 2018, 11:53:36 AM by Saunt Taunga