Do you kinda feel you've been pressed to take on the emotional-intellectual labour here, meep?It's likely no one asking has been particularly affected or even inconvenienced or even have participated knowingly in the topic at hand, but here we are.
I am using "sacred" here in a very general sense (although the specific sense still applies - see FN dress) - there are plenty of sacred things even among skeptics. GNU Terry Pratchett.
Look how many assholes put on fake mustaches and shitty Mexican caricature clothing today and got drunk on bad tequila
Quote from: el jefe on May 05, 2018, 06:35:55 PMbut those are all specific and clear. I keep getting the sense there's a broader idea here that any time members of the dominant culture use something from another culture, without permission or something, it's wrong by default. do I have that right? Some people probably view it that way. I don't necessarily think it's bad or wrong by default, but in many circumstances, it can be hurtful or harmful, intentionally or not. In some cases, like with black artists being shut out, some level of harm can't really be undone, but in other cases, it may be something that can dissipate over time as relations between groups change.Like it's plainly obvious that contact between languages leads to borrowings and influences, naturally. There are dialect continua so people on one side of a border may speak a language that has some things in common with the language immediately on the other side of the border, despite the geopolitical differences or the differences between the official, standard languages. When the ultimate goal is to communicate effectively, people are going to share and borrow no matter what you try to do to stop it. Even if it's not two technically separate geopolitical groups interacting, there may be minority languages in a society that influence the dominant language in all sorts of ways. None of that is in dispute or bad. But it also depends on context. There's a difference between the old Scottish heritage affecting the way people in Newfoundland speak or the Scandinavian influence of some upper Midwestern accents and the relationship that Americans have with AAVE/"ebonics." I think things have improved a bit with the latter compared to the moral panic of the 90s, but overall, your average older person still probably considers "ebonics" to be low register and the "broken" speech of uneducated people. Yet chances are the dialect they speak has some AAVE influence in it. So it's okay for people to adopt AAVE words or pronunciation or syntax or morphology as needed for various reasons in various contexts, but it's not okay for the people who normally speak that way to actually speak that way.
but those are all specific and clear. I keep getting the sense there's a broader idea here that any time members of the dominant culture use something from another culture, without permission or something, it's wrong by default. do I have that right?
Quote from: borealis on May 05, 2018, 08:33:50 PMDo you kinda feel you've been pressed to take on the emotional-intellectual labour here, meep?It's likely no one asking has been particularly affected or even inconvenienced or even have participated knowingly in the topic at hand, but here we are.Nah, it's cool. This isn't a particularly sensitive topic. It's not even something that's affected me a whole lot directly. The only thing about Argentinian culture that anyone cares about is beef and tango, and I'm not insulted by people imitating tango and making fools out of their dumb asses by doing it poorly and thinking it's hilarious. Just like people imitating flamenco by randomly stomping their feet and yelling OLE. Like, okay, shrug, you have fun looking ridiculous and corny, then, I guess. But I do get irritated when people do this shit to other Latinos who don't get off as easy as Argentinians do or other groups, especially when it annoys my friends.I've also been guilty of some dumb shit in the past, like when I bought an Orthodox cross necklace in Russia and wore it because I thought it was pretty before thinking, hmm, maybe it's not the most appropriate or respectful thing in the world to be wearing someone else's religious symbol that might make them think I believe in the same things when I think their church is full of shit.
felt this was relevanthttps://twitter.com/irmahinojosa_/status/993728571259604992https://twitter.com/versaceaglets/status/993909588180262912
Eta and we all know Zendaya's chainmail Joan of Arc dress was the best.
Christianity is just a bunch of people appropriating Jewish traditions in the first place. It's no different from white hippies dressing up in Native American jewelry and going on vision quests, except that it's been going on long enough to be a much more serious cultural force.
At the Lakota Summit V, an international gathering of US and Canadian Lakota, Dakota and Nakota Nations, about 500 representatives from 40 different tribes and bands of the Lakota unanimously passed a "Declaration of War Against Exploiters of Lakota Spirituality." The following declaration was unanimously passed on June 10, 1993.Declaration of War AgainstExploiters of Lakota SpiritualityWhereas we are conveners of an ongoing series of comprehensive forums on the abuse and exploitation of Lakota spirituality; andWhereas we represent the recognized Lakota leaders, traditional elders, and grassroots advocates of the Lakota people; andWhereas for too long we have suffered the unspeakable indignity of having our most precious Lakota ceremonies and spiritual practices desecrated, mocked and abused by non-Indian "wannabes", hucksters, cultists, commercial profiteers and self-styled "New Age shamans" and their followers; andWhereas with horror and outrage we see this disgraceful expropriation of our sacred Lakota traditions has reached epidemic proportions in urban areas throughout the country; andWhereas our Sacred Pipe is being desecrated through the sale of pipestone pipes at flea markets, powwows and "New Age" retail stores; andWhereas pseudo-religious corporations have been formed to charge people money for admission into phony "sweat lodges and vision quest" programs; andWhereas sacrilegious "sundances" for non-Indians are being conducted by charlatans and cult leaders who promote abominable and obscene imitations of our sacred Lakota sundance rites; andWhereas non-Indians have organized themselves into imitation "tribes" assigning themselves make-believe "Indian names" to facilitate their wholesale expropriation and commercialization of our Lakota traditions; andWhereas academic disciplines have sprung up in colleges and universities institutionalizing the sacrilegious imitation of our spiritual practices by students and instructors under the guise of educational programs in "shamanism"; andWhereas non-Indian charlatans and "wannabes" are selling books that promote systematic colonization of our Lakota spirituality; andWhereas the television and film industry continues to saturate the entertainment media with vulgar sensationalist and grossly distorted representations of Lakota spirituality and culture which reinforce the public's negative stereotyping on Indian people and which gravely impair the self-esteem of our children; andWhereas individuals and groups involved in the "New Age Movement," in the "men's movement," in "neo-paganism" cults and in "shamanism" workshops all have exploited the spiritual traditions of our Lakota people by imitating our ceremonial ways and by mixing such imitation rituals with non-Indian occult practices in an offensive and harmful pseudo-religious hodge-podge; andWhereas the absurd public posturing of this scandalous assortment of pseudo-Indian charlatans, "wannabes," commercial profiteers, cultists and "New Age shamans" comprises a momentous obstacle in the struggle of traditional Lakota people for an adequate public appraisal of the legitimate political, legal, and spiritual needs of real Lakota people; andWhereas this exponential exploitation of our Lakota spiritual traditions requires that we take immediate action to defend our most precious Lakota spirituality from further contamination, desecration and abuse;Therefore We Resolve As Follows:1. We hereby and henceforth declare war against all persons who persist in exploiting, abusing, and misrepresenting the sacred traditions and spiritual practices of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people.2. We call upon our Lakota, Dakota and Nakota brothers and sisters from reservations, reserves and traditional communities in the United States and Canada to actively and vocally oppose this alarming takeover and systematic destruction of our sacred traditions.3. We urge our people to coordinate with their tribal members living in urban areas to identify instances in which our sacred traditions are being abused, and then to resist this abuse, utilizing whatever specific tactics necessary and sufficient, for example: demonstrations, boycotts, press conferences, and acts of direct intervention.4. We especially urge all our Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people to take action to prevent our own people from contribution to and enabling abuse of our sacred ceremonies and spiritual practices by outsiders; for as we all know, there are certain ones among our own people who are prostituting our spiritual ways for their own selfish gain, with no regard for the spiritual well-being of the people as a whole.5. We assert a posture of zero-tolerance for any "white man's shaman" who rises from within our own communities to "authorize" the expropriation of our ceremonial ways by non-Indians, all such "plastic medicine men" are enemies of the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people.6. We urge traditional people, tribal leaders, and governing councils of all other Indian Nations, as well as all national Indian organizations, to join us in calling for an immediate end to this rampant exploitation of our respective American Indian sacred traditions by issuing statements denouncing such abuse; for it is not the Lakota, Dakota and Nakota people alone whose spiritual practices are being systematically violated by non-Indians.7. We urge all our Indian brothers and sisters to act decisively and boldly in our present campaign to end the destruction of our sacred traditions, keeping in mind that our highest duty as Indian people: to preserve the purity of our precious traditions for future generations, so that our children and our children's children will survive and prosper in the sacred manner intended for each of our respective peoples by our Creator. Wilmer Stampede Mesteth; (Oglala Lakota);Traditional Spiritual Leader & Lakota Culture Instructor;Oglala Lakota College, Pine Ridge, South DakotaDarrell Standing Elk; (Sicangu Lakota);President, Center for the SPIRIT, San Fancisco, California,& Pine Ridge, South DakotaPhyllis Swift Hawk; (Kul Wicasa Lakota);Tiospaye Wounspe Waokiye; Wanblee, South Dakota
To identify yourself as white and Christian is also to associate yourself with cultural conservativism and to more or less conform to cultural expectations. Adopting symbols of other religious traditions is sort of a way for white Christians to present themselves as being anti-conformist and to associate with a religious tradition without the associated cultural significance of oppression and social conservativism that comes with Christianity. In many cases, the specifics of the other religious tradition are not particularly interesting to them so much as that it is (1) a religious tradition and (2) that it doesn't have the associated baggage of christianity.
Cultural appropriation seems like a way to throw an insignificant bone to marginalized people. The problems are systemic.