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Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1575
Coates still owns.

  • uncool
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Reply #1576

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1577
The replies to that are kind of amazing. I don't think I've seen so many butthurt nazis in one place before.

  • el jefe
  • asleep till 2020 or 2024
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1578
won't someone think of the nazis

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1579
They should write a book about their struggles

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1580
this was an interesting post about the og Nazis I read recently describing how their ethnic cleansing ramped up from forced removal to death camps,. the context was a hypothetical about if they hadn't gone to war on the eastern front and how the success of Barbarossa increasingly radicalized the Nazis in various ways.

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Can't emphasize this enough. There are some really fundamental differences between what German policy is towards the Jews before Barbarossa and after.

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The starvation plan was part of it, as has already been alluded to. Then you have the Kommissarbefehl, which basically said that any commissars who were found should be summarily executed, as well as any common soldiers who were actively pushing bolshivism in the ranks. This is especially nasty because the Nazis were heavily conflating Judaism and Bolshevism in their propaganda, to the point where the general assumption was that commissars were Jews pushing their sinister agenda. This leads to a whole lot of awful shit beyond the already awful summary execution of prisoners. In particular it paints all Jews as implicit in Stalin's regime and blurs the fuck out of the line between combatant and non-combatant. This is where you start to see a lot of early round ups of all military aged jewish men under the assumption that they are at the very least politically active bolsheviks, if not stay behind commissars with orders to foment rebellion in the rear.

It's this war against "Judeo-Bolshevism" that you have to understand the Einsatzgruppen in. They start out as a special political action branch that secured government buildings and important papers in the wake of the 1938 Anschluss, and eventually morphed into killing squads during the invasion of Poland. It should be noted, however, that they were still vaguely political killing squads. The idea was to wipe out Polish leadership and any carriers of Polish national identity - so politicians, military officers, but also intelligentsia, teachers, etc. - both as a way to secure the country and also as a precursor to Germanizing it. This is pretty awful, but it wasn't just a German thing. You see similar focused attempts to wipe out regional national identities all through the early 20th century. Stalin forcibly moving groups around to disperse them is a great example, as is Stalin's murder of the exact same people the Germans were knocking off on their half of Poland after 1939. Once you have the idea expressed that you are in a struggle for national survival against a Judeo-Bolshevik USSR, then those groups turn naturally to wiping out Jews wherever they can find them. Katyn Forest and Babi Yar are two very different kinds of events, but they are two points on the same line of reasoning.

As if all of this isn't awful and fucked enough, it also does two really bad things for the Jews of Western Europe: It cuts off any real chance of getting them out of German territory through non-genocidal means, and provide a huge territory out of the view of your average German to dispose of them in. Fist the issue of getting rid of Jews non-genocidally. The thing you really have to understand about Nazi racial theory is that it was really focused on the idea of "foreign entities" inside the body of the German Volk damaging and poisoning it.* It's a super biological way of looking at the world, so the infection metaphor works well. All through the 30s, you see attempt after attempt to get German Jews to just get the fuck out. There were massive campaigns of harassment orchestrated to make leaving Germany seem very, VERY attractive, and a fair number did try to emigrate. Unfortunately (from a certain point of view) there were three things holding them back. First and foremost, they thought of themselves as Germans. Leaving your homeland is no easy thing under the best of circumstances. Second, the Germans wanted to rob them of all their wealth. They passed laws that required any Jews who wanted to leave to turn over the vast majority of their property and any savings as a condition of getting an exit visa. This discouraged a lot of people from leaving, especially those with businesses. Look up Freud's move from Austria to England if you want a good idea of what that could entail. The last was the issue of immigration quotas on the part of other countries. Simply put, no one wanted hundreds of thousands of German Jews who were penniless refugees settling in their country. A couple of high profile intellectuals and artists got special dispensation (e.g. Freud) but if you were just some random dude your chances were not nearly as good. This leads to some really perverse shit, like when 12.000 Jews were forcibly deported by the Germans into Poland and the Polish border guards refused them entry. A whole refugee camp sprang up in the no-mans land between the posts and conditions were fucking dire. One of the families stuck in that was the Grynszpans, which is what prompted Herschel Grynszpan, a teenaged student living in Paris, to murder Ernst vom Rath, the German ambassador to France, which in turn was the immediate pretext for Kristallnacht. As late as 1939 there were active attempts to simply deport them all. One of the more famous is the so-called Madagascar Plan, which basically amounted to negotiating with France to settle them all in Madagascar. You also see some really odd bedfellows in Zionist movements working with Nazi officials to funnel Jews into Palestine. Of course none of these had any real kind of support or direction from senior levels of Reich leadership, but that's kind of the point - there was no firm policy beyond "get rid of the Jews" and the fact that we see all of these odd attempts to get them out points to there not being a settled policy of extermination.

Barbarossa makes it abundantly clear that they are not getting rid of the Jews by pushing them over the border. As late as early 1941 you could talk about scenarios where the Germans force the British to the peace table and then the Jewish question is settled in post-war circumstances. Worse, a lot of the Jews that they had successfully deported to Poland, France, and the Netherlands all of a sudden became subjects of the Reich again. The vast swath of non-German territory that they conquered in the East offered some great possibilities for getting rid of them, however. This is where we get the ghettos. "Resettlement to the east" wasn't just a cruel euphemism for sending people off to be murdered in 1939/40. It's a really ugly step and one that in hind sight prepares the ground work for extermination, but from the narrow perspective of Nazi racial ideology and the priority of ridding the Reich of Jews deporting them all to occupied Poland makes a fair amount of sense and doesn't by itself imply mass murder.

Of course by this point events are spinning wildly out of control. The ghettos in Poland are only established in late 1940, and within half a year you have the war in Russia. That brings with it the firm certainty that Germany is at war with a Judeo-Bolshevik menace, attempts to wipe that out in the wartime conditions of the advancing front line, and before too long the Jews behind the lines in the ghettos are seen as a risk as well. Eventually it all comes full circle into the question of how to get Jews out of the metaphorical body of the German Volk, and the killing becomes a goal in and of itself, not just an expeditious way to persecute the war. It's (of course) more complex than that, but that's how you get from killing squads roaming from village to village behind the front lines to setting up no bullshit killing camps. By that point the fact that you have all this occupied territory is a major boon. The worst of the killing centers - the ones that you couldn't even pretend were labor camps - were stuck out in the middle of nowhere on the far eastern edge of the Polish territory that the Germans had - most of them are right on the modern day eastern frontier of Poland. Keeping the worst of the consequences of what was going on out of the immediate sight of the German population was a pretty necessary precaution. We can talk about how much bullshit it was that the Germans professed innocence when Dachau, Ravensbruck, Buchenwald, etc were literally in their backyards, but true death camps like Sobibor and Belzec make the German ones look really tame in comparison.

This is, of course, just a broad sketch of the issue. There are whole books written about exactly this that do a much better job than I can in a few hundred words of internet posting. It's also stream of conscious as fuck and uneditied, so if anything isn't clear hopefully I can explain better.

*wrapping your head around this aspect of Nazi racial theory also helps explain why so many other groups got caught up in Nazi persecutions. Jews were a huge group that were singled out for special treatment, but that rubric of "foreign elements weakening the body of the Volk" also applies to Gypsies, homosexuals, cultural deviants, people with hereditary mental and physical disabilities, etc. The T4 program singling out the disabled is a big part of really grasping what the fuck they were trying to do. Even something as awful as eugenics has its own interior logic, and that logic drives a lot of what happens over the next half decade.

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1581
this was an interesting post about the og Nazis I read recently describing how their ethnic cleansing ramped up from forced removal to death camps,. the context was a hypothetical about if they hadn't gone to war on the eastern front and how the success of Barbarossa increasingly radicalized the Nazis in various ways.

just got finished watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8AcmzqFdPM

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1582
good stuff, and lays out the danger of Peterson's ideology pretty well at the end

  • MSG
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1583
braying among the ruins

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1584
Funny how all these brave nazis suddenly are 'joking' when they get busted. I really hope they get laughed at by the other (mostly armchair coward) nazis and called cucks!  :D

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1585
How is it Facebook censored that?
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • uncool
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1586
Because facebook's censoring algorithm is shit.

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1587
Because facebook's censoring algorithm is shit.

because facebook is scared of criticism from the right, just like the rest of the media world, so they treat the most insane and vile shit from the right with kids gloves and crack down on anything even slightly left of center

  • uncool
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1588
I honestly feel kinda bad for the asshole. Then I remember he's not just a white nationalist, but a leader in it.


  • Monad
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1589
This whole 'cuck' language meme is just vile in itself

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1590
How is it Facebook censored that?
Because ...

  • uncool
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
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Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1592
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1593
A comprehensive take-down of the "Halp! We're being silenced and oppressed" narrative pushed by various conservative manque intellectuals.

"Pretty Loud for Being so Silenced" | Current Affairs

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Irony can be a difficult concept to grasp, but some hypothetical examples can illustrate it clearly. It would be ironic, for instance, if people who claimed their free speech was being trampled on were actually being heard more than anybody else. It would be ironic if television hosts and podcasters who believe in "engaging in debate with the other side" never actually engaged in any debate with the other side. And it would be ironic if a journalist who believes in "facts" and "listening to critics" ignored facts and never listened to critics.

Of course, you might think that ironies this obvious rarely occur in the real world. Surely life is much more subtle. But if you assume this, you haven't yet read Bari Weiss' New York Times op-ed/fawning profile, "Meet the Renegades of the Intellectual Dark Web." Weiss uses the nation's paper of record to introduce audiences to a group of people whose voices are supposedly being kept out of mainstream institutions, but who for some reason I seem to hear about all the damn time.

The "intellectual dark web" is neither on the dark web nor comprised of intellectuals. It is a phrase coined by one of Peter Thiel's deputies to describe a group of people who share the following traits in common: (1) they are bitter about and feel persecuted by Leftist Social Justice Identity Politics, which they think is silencing important truths and (2) they inhabit the internet, disseminating their opinions through podcasts, YouTube, Patreon, etc. The group includes: Eric Weinstein, the aforementioned Thiel subordinate; vacuous charlatan Jordan Peterson; cool kids' philosopher Ben Shapiro; deferential interview host Dave Rubin; ex-neuroscientist Sam Harris; former Man Show host Joe Rogan; American Enterprise Institute scholar Christina Hoff Sommers; and former Evergreen State University professors Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Weiss says that together these people form:

...a collection of iconoclastic thinkers, academic renegades and media personalities who are having a rolling conversation--on podcasts, YouTube and Twitter, and in sold-out auditoriums--that sound unlike anything else happening, at least publicly, in the culture right now. Feeling largely locked out of legacy outlets, they are rapidly building their own mass media channels...

Weiss says they have three things in common:

[First,] they are willing to disagree ferociously, but talk civilly, about nearly every meaningful subject: religion, abortion, immigration, the nature of consciousness. Second, in an age in which popular feelings about the way things ought to be often override facts about the way things actually are, each is determined to resist parroting what's politically convenient. And third, some have paid for this commitment by being purged from institutions that have become increasingly hostile to unorthodox thought--and have found receptive audiences elsewhere.

Weiss says that "offline and in the real world, members of the I.D.W. are often found speaking to one another in packed venues around the globe," such as the O2 Arena, where they dare to say "That Which Cannot Be Said," offering "taboo" thoughts like "There are fundamental biological differences between men and women. Free speech is under siege. Identity politics is a toxic ideology that is tearing American society apart." (Gosh, perhaps it's just the fringe conservative circles I move in, but I seem to hear that stuff constantly!)

Well, are they right? Are they being "purged" as part of a "siege" on free speech by the illiberal left? It's interesting that Weiss chooses to use the formulation "feeling locked out of legacy outlets," since I seem to remember a great philosopher once saying that Facts Don't Care About Your Feelings. These people may feel as if they are persecuted renegades, suppressed at every turn by Postmodern Neo-Marxists. But there are a lot of facts to say otherwise.

[Continues . . .]


  • uncool
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1594
Hey Canada, it's your turn!

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/59qb93/the-racist-podcaster-who-started-a-neo-nazi-coffee-company-to-fund-white-nationalism

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In the spring of 2017, Thomas White had an idea: What if he combined his love of gourmet coffee with his staunch belief in a white ethnostate?

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The solution: Rising Sun Coffee Company, an online coffee emporium dedicated to both quality beans and the protection of the white race. Five percent of all sales would go to the buyer's white nationalist charity of choice. "Creating a new economy for the future of our people," read the tagline emblazoned on a picture of an all-white tiki torch-carrying brigade from the Charlottesville riots last year.

  • Fenrir
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1595
Hey Canada, it's your turn!

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/59qb93/the-racist-podcaster-who-started-a-neo-nazi-coffee-company-to-fund-white-nationalism

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In the spring of 2017, Thomas White had an idea: What if he combined his love of gourmet coffee with his staunch belief in a white ethnostate?

[...]

The solution: Rising Sun Coffee Company, an online coffee emporium dedicated to both quality beans and the protection of the white race. Five percent of all sales would go to the buyer's white nationalist charity of choice. "Creating a new economy for the future of our people," read the tagline emblazoned on a picture of an all-white tiki torch-carrying brigade from the Charlottesville riots last year.

Oh my.

That's hilarious.

Coffee. Of all possible products they chose coffee.

I. Can't. Even. Coffee.
It's what plants crave.

Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1596
Hey Canada, it's your turn!

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/59qb93/the-racist-podcaster-who-started-a-neo-nazi-coffee-company-to-fund-white-nationalism

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In the spring of 2017, Thomas White had an idea: What if he combined his love of gourmet coffee with his staunch belief in a white ethnostate?

[...]

The solution: Rising Sun Coffee Company, an online coffee emporium dedicated to both quality beans and the protection of the white race. Five percent of all sales would go to the buyer's white nationalist charity of choice. "Creating a new economy for the future of our people," read the tagline emblazoned on a picture of an all-white tiki torch-carrying brigade from the Charlottesville riots last year.

Oh my.

That's hilarious.

Coffee. Of all possible products they chose coffee.

I. Can't. Even. Coffee.
Could have chocolate.
Love is like a magic penny
 if you hold it tight you won't have any
if you give it away you'll have so many
they'll be rolling all over the floor

  • Fenrir
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1597
Won't someone please think of the Belgians?
It's what plants crave.

  • borealis
  • Administrator
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1598
Definitely something wrong with that boy.

While Thunder Bay is not rumoured to be a bastion of perfect racial harmony, apparently there are not enough coffee loving alt-rightists to keep a formerly popular coffee shop in business. Yay TB.

I feel bad for his family. I doubt they're as 'on board' as he claimed, especially with that gruesomely creepy bit about his daughter.

  • meepmeep
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  • zombiecat queen
Re: Keeping tabs on the alt-right
Reply #1599


My first introduction to Peterson was a video clip where he said that there's something wrong with any woman who's over 30 and not prioritizing family over career, so I am extremely fucking shocked to learn that this virulent anti-Marxist believes in forced redistribution of sex.