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Old 12-02-2011, 05:04 PM   #1618658  /  #1
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Default ethical issue involving deaf culture

With the advent of implants and hearing aids would be deaf children are full participants in the hearing culture. There's no instrumental need to learn ASL. But this takes away from the base of the future deaf community. In effect, the deaf culture is at a loss or even at risk of future extinction.

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Nothing. Cultures live and die. Plus it is dumb.
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:14 PM   #1618677  /  #3
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With the advent of implants and hearing aids would be deaf children are full participants in the hearing culture. There's no instrumental need to learn ASL. But this takes away from the base of the future deaf community. In effect, the deaf culture is at a loss or even at risk of future extinction.

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Give people the choice as to whether they use such devices. There are quite a lot of people in the deaf community who see people who wear or have such devices implanted as betraying the deaf community, which is stupid imo, just as there are people who take no steps at all to removing serious genetic illnesses from their family line. Similarly there are a lot of people like myself, who see how the lack of such devices is a real hinderance in achieving many things in the world and do what we can to overcome hearing problems. I lost most of my hearing very suddenly in ~2005 and it was one of the worst things that has happened to me.
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I think the problem here is that we are presuming deafness to be something to avoid. For us, its not a disability. It's a different ability.
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As someone who has gone deaf in one ear and has problem's with the other;

Blow it out your ass.

ETA and you are not the only one to have never heard Pictish music.
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I think the problem here is that we are presuming deafness to be something to avoid. For us, its not a disability. It's a different ability.
No it is a disability.
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I lost most of my hearing very suddenly in ~2005 and it was one of the worst things that has happened to me.
I had already had serious hearing trouble and my right ear was my "good" one.
But in 2005 I had a fever and it sounded like a 747 was landing on my right side. Then my hearing went totally downhill in my right ear.
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As someone who has gone deaf in one ear and has problem's with the other;

Blow it out your ass.

ETA and you are not the only one to have never heard Pictish music.
I am next to deaf. I am also part of the hearing world.
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I think the problem here is that we are presuming deafness to be something to avoid. For us, its not a disability. It's a different ability.
No it is a disability.
Once you presume a certain normative model of what human ability is , sure.
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With the advent of implants and hearing aids would be deaf children are full participants in the hearing culture. There's no instrumental need to learn ASL. But this takes away from the base of the future deaf community. In effect, the deaf culture is at a loss or even at risk of future extinction.

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I'm not sure that there is an affirmative ethical duty to preserve cultures. What is the argument that there is?
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With the advent of implants and hearing aids would be deaf children are full participants in the hearing culture. There's no instrumental need to learn ASL. But this takes away from the base of the future deaf community. In effect, the deaf culture is at a loss or even at risk of future extinction.

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I'm not sure that there is an affirmative ethical duty to preserve cultures. What is the argument that there is?
Intrinsic beauty, greater social complexity and depth and expression.
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Intrinsic beauty, greater social complexity and depth and expression.
Those are reasons why we might want to preserve cultures, but they're not really ethical reasons. Anyway, I'm sure that deaf culture will be preserved in some form by anthropologists. Is there a good reason why we should do more than that?
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I think the problem here is that we are presuming deafness to be something to avoid. For us, its not a disability. It's a different ability.
No it is a disability.
Once you presume a certain normative model of what human ability is , sure.
Yes. And I do that, because I am not an idiot.
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Those are reasons why we might want to preserve cultures, but they're not really ethical reasons. Anyway, I'm sure that deaf culture will be preserved in some form by anthropologists. Is there a good reason why we should do more than that?
They can easily be understood to be ethical reasons if the removal or extinction depraves the well being and richness of society.

I have no idea how anthropologists would keep it preserved if not just as a memory or a historical reference.

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Old 12-02-2011, 06:08 PM   #1618768  /  #15
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To deprive a hearing-impaired child out of technology which can increase his ability to participate in society at large is criminal and abuse. Fuck "deaf culture". All it's members have in common is an inability to hear.
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Fuck "deaf culture".
This is my take on it. And I can sort of understand, it's be like being in Korea with a handful of English speakers. You'd probably naturally gravitate towards the other people who know the English.

However, I've hung out with Koreans who didn't speak the English and we seemed able to communicate easily enough so

Fuck deaf people, they keep up this "culture" bullshit and not hearing will be the least of their problems.
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To deprive a hearing-impaired child out of technology which can increase his ability to participate in society at large is criminal and abuse. Fuck "deaf culture". All it's members have in common is an inability to hear.
Some human beings hear sound and see it. Are those individuals who can only hear it disabled? deprived?

I wouldnt use the word deprive. We are allowing for an equally valid way or being, expression, etc.
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They can easily be understood to be ethical reasons if the removal or extinction depraves the well being and richness of society.
Should the parents of deaf children be forbidden from getting their child treatment for their hearing deficit, in order to preserve deaf culture, yes or no?
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They can easily be understood to be ethical reasons if the removal or extinction depraves the well being and richness of society.
Should the parents of deaf children be forbidden from getting their child treatment for their hearing deficit, in order to preserve deaf culture, yes or no?
I dunno. But they should be aware that a very rich and beautiful culture is out there and relies on people like their children.
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Sure. But I can't see any steps much farther than that being acceptable to society at large.
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They can easily be understood to be ethical reasons if the removal or extinction depraves the well being and richness of society.
Should the parents of deaf children be forbidden from getting their child treatment for their hearing deficit, in order to preserve deaf culture, yes or no?
I dunno. But they should be aware that a very rich and beautiful culture is out there and relies on people like their children.
You're right! We need to avoid helping disabled children because the culture needs them!
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Horseshit SMS! Even the best lip-readers can't "see" tornado sirens, car horns, etc. It's not realistic to expect the rest of the world to learn ASL to communicate with the deaf community.
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They can easily be understood to be ethical reasons if the removal or extinction depraves the well being and richness of society.
Should the parents of deaf children be forbidden from getting their child treatment for their hearing deficit, in order to preserve deaf culture, yes or no?
I dunno. But they should be aware that a very rich and beautiful culture is out there and relies on people like their children.
You're right! We need to avoid helping disabled children because the culture needs them!
But they are not really disabled. Being deaf is like having red hair.
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Somebody clue me in on SMS because I'm away from TR for long periods of time. Is this just a hot-button issue for him/her, or is he/she this stupid about everything?
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Somebody clue me in on SMS because I'm away from TR for long periods of time. Is this just a hot-button issue for him/her, or is he/she this stupid about everything?
He is pretty post modernist which means that he is pretty much this stupid about everything.
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