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Old 03-21-2012, 06:36 PM   #1747191  /  #26
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:36 PM   #1747192  /  #27
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wait . . . guapo is wrong again?

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Old 03-21-2012, 06:48 PM   #1747203  /  #28
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Wetlands are sometimes survivable, too.

And falling down through tree canopy is different than paragliding sideways into a tree.
True. There always seems to be a collision element to tree accidents. If you evef fly black mountain near mt. Baker washington, there is a big ass cedar tree rigjt at the near side of the lz. The grassy area isnt all that big either. That tree has killed two people that I know of. Ive seen one guy do almost a wingover to miss it and opt for a water landing in a yucky pond out of necessity.

those of us on the ground could hear a very concemtrated voice From about 90 feet up saying, "woah woah woah," as he made the ridiculously dumb maneuver.
If I met JB from the cart thread, it would have been on that trip actually. I forgot that happened the same day as the rest. I broke a down tube that day.
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Old 03-21-2012, 06:51 PM   #1747207  /  #29
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
ya really he could have held onto at least one guy like a baby monkey
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:53 PM   #1747300  /  #30
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
Sounds like when the customers jumped, there wasn't the impending certainty that the storm cell was going to completely trash the balloon.

Competitive-level skydivers might have been able to link up somehow and support a chute-less person to within some distance of the ground. I would think that -- assuming it's even possible -- would be a lot to ask of five presumably-noobish balloon tourists.
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Any competent person with experience regarding flight would know that a storm cell is catastrophic.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:58 AM   #1747778  /  #32
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I'm just saying that if it's a choice RIGHT NOW between your balloon collapsing and jumping off hoping that several noobs are going to be able to somehow be both willing and able to somehow escort you to near-ground level, you might try it, assuming anybody thought of it and the noobs went along with the idea.

But jumping out of the basket without a chute alongside the noobs NOW vs. hoping that maybe the balloon would skirt around the storm, or maybe the balloon would survive the storm, or maybe even fearing the storm would certainly doom the balloon LATER, that's a tougher decision to make. To maybe kill yourself NOW in an effort to save yourself from a potential threat, however dire, that's coming along LATER.

It seems to me that it's easier to risk death NOW if the only other option is risking an even more certain death that's IMMEDIATELY impending.
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Its p impressive they found the body when all they had to go on was he saw treez

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Maybe they'll find db cooper next!
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
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think how fun this planet would be if gravity was like 0.1 times as strong. you could jump off your roof and be fine. and you could probably get away with skydiving or jumping off skyscrapers with just a wingsuit.
Just takes a longer fall Momentum and Mass still effect over a long drop.
Hitting a wall at high speed hurts.
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Old 03-23-2012, 12:43 PM   #1749160  /  #36
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
ya really he could have held onto at least one guy like a baby monkey
Fuck I know I would. One version of my own daydream on this has me jumping out after them and crashing through one of their canopies, before using him as a landing cushion.

There's no way these guys didn't think something was an option, but for some reason it was see ya and he bought it with fateful resignation.

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Sounds like when the customers jumped, there wasn't the impending certainty that the storm cell was going to completely trash the balloon.
Oh right. Thanks for filling me in. There was also the image in my mind of him passing them on the way down.

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Competitive-level skydivers might have been able to link up somehow and support a chute-less person to within some distance of the ground. I would think that -- assuming it's even possible -- would be a lot to ask of five presumably-noobish balloon tourists.

I don't know anything about it other than what my mom's second husband used to tell me about his time as an air dispatcher with the paras. Stuff about stealing each other's air for example when divers get aligned vertically.

But I know he used to have to be prepared to do all sorts of crazy shit in an instant, if stuff got stuck on the ramps, if cords got stuck or anything like that. I don't remember anything about having to jump with someone else in an emergency but I'm sure I've seen shit like that on TV loads of times.
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but I'm sure I've seen shit like that on TV loads of times.
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Back to reality, how easy would it have been for one of the chutists to give his spare to the baloonist (assuming they were all falling together).
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
Multiple problems:

1) You can't have two people open their chutes together. They'll tangle. There are cases of stunt jumpers who join up *AFTER* opening their chutes but that's not the same thing.

2) You get quite a shock when you pull the rip cord. It's going to be pretty hard to hold onto someone through that.

3) Even if you pull that off you're going to land pretty darn hard.

4) If he's not a trained jumper it's going to be very hard to link up with him in the air.


There's also the issue that staying on the balloon wasn't anything like certain death.
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Old 03-23-2012, 03:52 PM   #1749308  /  #40
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Competitive-level skydivers might have been able to link up somehow and support a chute-less person to within some distance of the ground. I would think that -- assuming it's even possible -- would be a lot to ask of five presumably-noobish balloon tourists.
Even if they have the skill to link up the skill level of the pilot is very important. If he doesn't know how to control himself in freefall he's probably going to tumble and thus be very hard to catch. Airborne linkups are normally between two (or more) skilled people.
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Back to reality, how easy would it have been for one of the chutists to give his spare to the baloonist (assuming they were all falling together).
I wouldn't think this would be possible--I would think you would have one harness that connects the chute to you. You wouldn't have any way to strap the backup on and it has to be secure or it's just going to rip off when you pull the rip cord.
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Couldn't two or three of them have jumped together or merged with the pilot midair and hook him up some way to share the load, before opening the chutes?
Or were they like dude there's nothing we can do, and he was all damn man, and one of them was all take mine, but he was like no you have kids, so they were all laters good luck seeya!?
ya really he could have held onto at least one guy like a baby monkey
Fuck I know I would. One version of my own daydream on this has me jumping out after them and crashing through one of their canopies, before using him as a landing cushion.

There's no way these guys didn't think something was an option, but for some reason it was see ya and he bought it with fateful resignation.

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Sounds like when the customers jumped, there wasn't the impending certainty that the storm cell was going to completely trash the balloon.
Oh right. Thanks for filling me in. There was also the image in my mind of him passing them on the way down.

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Competitive-level skydivers might have been able to link up somehow and support a chute-less person to within some distance of the ground. I would think that -- assuming it's even possible -- would be a lot to ask of five presumably-noobish balloon tourists.

I don't know anything about it other than what my mom's second husband used to tell me about his time as an air dispatcher with the paras. Stuff about stealing each other's air for example when divers get aligned vertically.

But I know he used to have to be prepared to do all sorts of crazy shit in an instant, if stuff got stuck on the ramps, if cords got stuck or anything like that. I don't remember anything about having to jump with someone else in an emergency but I'm sure I've seen shit like that on TV loads of times.
I don't know enough about it to argue what's technically possible. I did one jump a long time ago, though I have known some p. experienced sport jumpers and I've always enjoyed reading about what goes through people's minds when they're in tight spots. Like others on the thread, I've also seen some p. cool movie stunts.

I was speaking more to the pilot's state of mind -- what he thought might be possible and how a person in a tight spot tends to weigh the odds -- than I was about the real possibilities.

Of course, we can't really get into his mind, either, beyond the fact that he apparently put the safety of his charges ahead of his own and displayed commendable stolidity during his last transmissions.
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Old 03-23-2012, 05:27 PM   #1749404  /  #43
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in every thread about skydiving or parachuting, i have to link to this
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As long as we're pulling hoary chestnuts out of the banked embers of reverie, guapo's post reminded me of this book which, despite the cheesy cover, was actually a pretty gripping read:

Of course, I'm bound to find "gripping" any book that manages to combine parachuting and dropping LSD in one semi-plausible package... <koff koff>
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there is no way i am not judging that book by its cover
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1) You can't have two people open their chutes together. They'll tangle. There are cases of stunt jumpers who join up *AFTER* opening their chutes but that's not the same thing.

2) You get quite a shock when you pull the rip cord. It's going to be pretty hard to hold onto someone through that.

3) Even if you pull that off you're going to land pretty darn hard.

4) If he's not a trained jumper it's going to be very hard to link up with him in the air.
It's quite possible that not being a trained jumper might make you think its doable.

I had thought about the deceleration when the chute opens, I guess the story of a friend of a friend who crushed his balls in a parachute jump is universal by now.

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Well he's certainly dead now.
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I don't understand why he didn't just jump into the air right before he hit the ground just like you do when you're in a falling elevator.
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