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Old 09-22-2009, 01:48 PM   #620512  /  #1
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Exclamation Plotinus' twelve disciples and Plotinus' Holy Trinity

'I am striving to give back
the Divine in myself
to the Divine in the All.'


--- Final words of Plotinus
to Eustochius (C.270 CE)

The Twelve Disciples of Plotinus

The Disciples of Plotinus seem to number very close to twelve - a total of eleven without counting an additional defector (whom Porphyry names as Olympius - a 12th "apostle" - also formerly a follower of Ammonias Saccas). The philosophy of Plotinus was a third century restatement of the Greek philosophical knowledge of Plato and other "Greek patriachs". The Greek academic Porphyry wrote a "Life of Plotinus" perhaps about c.300 CE, and included mention that this philosopher was patronised and highly regarded by the Roman emperor Galenius, politicians and members of the senate. One of Porphyry's major literary works was the preservationn of the sayings/discourses of Plotinus - in "The Enneads.

The writings and works of Porphyry were highly likely to have been preserved in the libraries of Rome when Constantine arrived. We have here Plotinus, a well respected Greek philosopher, sometimes described as the most brilliant philosopher since Aristotle, living to the age of 69 and having the tradition of attracting almost twelve apostles to his version of Platonic philosophy and daily living. A huge compendium of written literature sourced from this very popular luminary --- following the Second Sophistic --- is generated by the academic Porphyry. Is it a coincidence that Plotinus or Jesus had twelve apostles?

See the Stanford article on Plotinus for a background.
The source data is provided by Porphyry: On the Life of Plotinus



The HOLY TRINITY of PLOTINUS

History of Western Philosophy - Bertrand Russell - 1945

p.289

Chapter 30 - PLOTINUS (204-270 CE)

Plotinus (204-270 CE), the founder of Neoplatonism,
is the last of the great philosophers of antiquity.

p.292

"The metaphysics of Plotinus begins with a Holy Trinity:

The One, Spirit and Soul.

These three are not equal, like the Persons of the Holy Trinity;
the One is supreme, Spirit comes next, and Soul last.[2]

[2] Origen, a contemporary of Plotinus and
had the same teacher in philosophy, taught
that the First Person was superior to the
Second, and the Second to the Third, agreeing
in this with Plotinus. But Origen's view was
subsequently declared heretical.
THE ONE is somewhat shadowy. It is sometimes called
God, sometimes called the Good; it transcends Being.

THE NOUS "SPIRIT" - offspring/reflection of the ONE.
includes mind - the intellect.

SOUL - offspring of the Divine Intellect. It is double:
there is an inner soul, intent on NOUS, and another,
which faces the external.

p.300

[end of chapter]..

Plotinus is both an end and a beginning - an end
as regards the Greeks, a beginning as regards
Christendom.


To the ancient world, weary with
centuries of disappointment, exhausted by despair
his doctrine might be acceptable, but could not be
stimulating. To the cruder barbarian world, where
the superabundant energy needed to be restrained
and regulated rather than stimulated, what could
penetrate in his teachings was beneficial, since
the evil to be combated was not languor but
brutality. The work of transmitting what could
survive of his philosophy was performed by the
Christian philosophers of the last age of Rome.
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Is it a coincidence that Plotinus or Jesus had twelve apostles?
well as it is pointed out also in that taboo film Zeitgeist all of the solar deities have 12 students, representing 12 houses of zodiac and 12 months of solar calendar. They (the deities) die in winter and are ressurected in spring etc. This has been so at least since Horus and Mitra and so on..

.. As all of these spiritual cults, Greek Mysteries (Plato, Origen) have origin in ancient Egypt. They are heavily into rebirth after death and methods of retaining the continuity in the mystic transitions to next life.

But, OFC, without the living teachers that still practice the view of those cults/mysteries/religions, we will never really know for sure what they stood for.

From the point of view of east Asian buddhism, it can well be a previous Buddha left his teaching in Egypt, which then permeated all of the known western world but got lost in ages. Indications are definitely there.

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The HOLY TRINITY of PLOTINUS

History of Western Philosophy - Bertrand Russell - 1945

p.289

Chapter 30 - PLOTINUS (204-270 CE)

Plotinus (204-270 CE), the founder of Neoplatonism,
is the last of the great philosophers of antiquity.

p.292

"The metaphysics of Plotinus begins with a Holy Trinity:

The One, Spirit and Soul.

These three are not equal, like the Persons of the Holy Trinity;
the One is supreme, Spirit comes next, and Soul last.[2]

[2] Origen, a contemporary of Plotinus and
had the same teacher in philosophy, taught
that the First Person was superior to the
Second, and the Second to the Third, agreeing
in this with Plotinus. But Origen's view was
subsequently declared heretical.
THE ONE is somewhat shadowy. It is sometimes called
God, sometimes called the Good; it transcends Being.

THE NOUS "SPIRIT" - offspring/reflection of the ONE.
includes mind - the intellect.

SOUL - offspring of the Divine Intellect. It is double:
there is an inner soul, intent on NOUS, and another,
which faces the external.

p.300

[end of chapter]..
this, too, is like a reflection of the trinity of Buddhism: you have dharmakaya which is outside of time = implicate reality, and then you have sambhogakaya which is the propagation = energy; and lastly, nirmanakaya or material apparitions.
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