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Old 03-06-2010, 06:48 PM   #841015  /  #51
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Nice wall-paper pattern (although any Persian rug-maker could do better).
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:49 PM   #841016  /  #52
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MEMO TO ARTISTS: Oil paints have feelings, too. Treat them well, as you would want them to treat you!
And in the case of van Gogh - the oils have pure, true feelings - right out of the tube !
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:53 PM   #841020  /  #53
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Nice wall-paper pattern.
FIGUER hurts Mondrian's feelings, and makes Picasso cry.



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Old 03-06-2010, 06:54 PM   #841021  /  #54
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MEMO TO ARTISTS: Oil paints have feelings, too. Treat them well, as you would want them to treat you!
And in the case of van Gogh - the oils have pure, true feelings - right out of the tube !
The poor basket case did produce paintings of some merit, compared to his contemporaries.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:55 PM   #841022  /  #55
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Nice wall-paper pattern.
FIGUER hurts Mondrian's feelings, and makes Picasso cry.



Nice imitation of a drawing by a 5 year old.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:59 PM   #841026  /  #56
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Nice imitation of a drawing by a 5 year old.

"And people wonder why I cut off my fucking ear."
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:04 PM   #841030  /  #57
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The creative content of Picasso's Weeping Woman -- its daring use of color, its astonishing inventiveness of form and line -- is, of course, far harder to bring off than painstakingly reproducing, for no discernable reason whatsoever, the drapery and clothing folds of some fat sleeping broad in "Flaming June."
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:04 PM   #841032  /  #58
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Nice imitation of a drawing by a 5 year old.

"And people wonder why I cut off my fucking ear."
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Nice imitation of Japanese wood cuts, but much better.
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:14 PM   #841043  /  #59
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Nice imitation of Japanese wood cuts, but much better.
"We don't need no stinking lectures about Japanese woodcuts."
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:18 PM   #841045  /  #60
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I would guess that FIGUER seems to think that the definition of art is: "slavishly imitating that which is put before you, including and especially the drapery and clothing folds of a fat sleeping broad who is wearing too much orange."

I mean, that's OK -- have at it, if that sort of thing floats your boat. But give me Picasso and his weeping women any day.
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:23 PM   #841049  /  #61
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I would guess that FIGUER seems to think that the definition of art is: "slavishly imitating that which is put before you, including and especially the drapery and clothing folds of a fat sleeping broad who is wearing too much orange."
I would guess that davidm seems to think that I have a particular care for a painting mentioned simply as a passing example of historical revision.

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I mean, that's OK -- have at it, if that sort of thing floats your boat. But give me Picasso and his weeping women any day.
Take it, please... and hide it in your room, or better yet, in the bathroom.
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:35 PM   #841059  /  #62
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I would guess that FIGUER seems to think that the definition of art is: "slavishly imitating that which is put before you, including and especially the drapery and clothing folds of a fat sleeping broad who is wearing too much orange."
I would guess that davidm seems to think that I have a particular care for a painting mentioned simply as a passing example of historical revision.
Then show me some examples of art that you think is great, and tell me why they are superior to the Mondrian, the Picasso, and van Gogh and the Japanese woodcut I've posted. One good thing about this thread: Lurkers are seein' some mighty fine art (just not Flaming June).
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:53 PM   #841078  /  #63
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Then show me some examples of art that you think is great,
I have already mentioned Velazquez, Vermeer, Goya, Boecklin, Dali, Bravo.

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... and tell me why they are superior to the Mondrian, the Picasso, and van Gogh and the Japanese woodcut I've posted.
I don't see you providing any justification for the claim that "the Mondrian, the Picasso, and van Gogh and the Japanese woodcut" are superior to anything, or even worthy of being considered good, which invalidates your request.

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One good thing about this thread: Lurkers are seein' some mighty fine art (just not Flaming June).
I suppose you are aware such a conclusion would depend on the particular taste of each lurker.
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Old 03-06-2010, 07:55 PM   #841081  /  #64
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okay tbh i still have no idea what postmodernism is. can't you explain this movement in simple language?
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Sanshou needs Wiki it seems:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

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- Whereas modernism was often associated with identity, unity, authority, and certainty, postmodernism is often associated with difference, separation, textuality, skepticism.
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Postmodern philosophy is a philosophical direction which is critical of the foundational assumptions and structures of philosophy. Beginning as a critique of Continental philosophy, it was heavily influenced by phenomenology, structuralism and existentialism, including writings of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, Søren Kierkegaard, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Martin Heidegger. Postmodern philosophy is skeptical or nihilistic toward many of the values and assumptions of philosophy that derive from modernity, such as humanity having an essence which distinguishes humans from animals, or the assumption that one form of government is demonstrably better than another.

Postmodern philosophy is often particularly skeptical about simple binary oppositions characteristic of structuralism, emphasizing the problem of the philosopher cleanly distinguishing knowledge from ignorance, social progress from reversion, dominance from submission, and presence from absence.[1][2]

Postmodern philosophy has strong relations with the substantial literature of critical theory.[3]
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Many modernist works try to uphold the idea that works of art can provide the unity, coherence, and meaning which has been lost in most of modern life; art will do what other human institutions fail to do. Postmodernism, in contrast, doesn't lament the idea of fragmentation, provisionality, or incoherence, but rather celebrates that. The world is meaningless? Let's not pretend that art can make meaning then, let's just play with nonsense.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:07 PM   #841095  /  #66
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that's simple language?
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:07 PM   #841097  /  #67
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here try finishing this sentence in everyday words: postmodernists believe...
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:15 PM   #841102  /  #68
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here try finishing this sentence i everyday words: postmodernists believe...
...that modernist observations respecting reality, such as its fragmentation, provisionality, incoherence, are to be celebrated. The world is meaningless? Let's not pretend that art can make meaning then, let's just play with nonsense.

Note: Playing with nonsense is an artistic pursuit which endeavors to give meaning to the world as entertainment; Postmodernism then is self referential and self contradictory.
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Then show me some examples of art that you think is great,
I have already mentioned Velazquez, Vermeer, Goya, Boecklin, Dali, Bravo.
I like some of those artists too. They're all realists, even Dali. What's wrong with non-realism in the visual arts, in your view? Or, if you're not against all nonrealist works of art, show me some non-realist work that you like.
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here try finishing this sentence i everyday words: postmodernists believe...

...in an up-to-date postal service.
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:18 PM   #841106  /  #71
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that joke gets funnier every time you tell it!
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here try finishing this sentence i everyday words: postmodernists believe...
...that modernist observations respecting reality, such as its fragmentation, provisionality, incoherence, are to be celebrated. The world is meaningless? Let's not pretend that art can make meaning then, let's just play with nonsense.

Note: Playing with nonsense is an artistic pursuit which endeavors to give meaning to the world as entertainment; Postmodernism then is self referential and self contradictory.
so, uh, they believe that everything's nonsense?
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that joke gets funnier every time you tell it!
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:20 PM   #841110  /  #74
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okay tbh i still have no idea what postmodernism is. can't you explain this movement in simple language?
I already did
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Old 03-06-2010, 08:26 PM   #841116  /  #75
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[ What's wrong with non-realism in the visual arts, in your view?
It is not about it being 'wrong' it's about it being in a different category from illusionism, which invalidates the notion of equivalence in aesthetic value. They are different aesthetics.

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Or, if you're not against all nonrealist works of art, show me some non-realist work that you like.
I am not against them, I just realize they are just industrial graphical patterns for cushions, comforters, tiles, shampoo bottles, etc.
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