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 03-18-2011, 04:48 AM #1345467  /  #301 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 Forgive me for getting back on the sarcasm horse one more time. Radiation coming? Not to worry? Sure. But here's a fucking brilliant idea for you. Yes you, US government, that runs on the taxes of millions of Americans. Why don't you take a few of them really expensive jets of yours, and fly them out to where the "hardly noticeable" cloud of radioactive dust is, and measure it? You know, fly around and collect air samples and see what the barely noticable amount is? Rather than sitting around with your finger up your collective ass waiting to see what it is. When it finally arrives. How's that for a suggestion? Maybe do a little defensive action, rather than waiting to see. Or does the technology for that not exist yet? __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
 03-18-2011, 05:22 AM #1345498  /  #302 Steviepinhead Senior Member     Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 31,183 Yeah, and this give us the bearing and a time when everyone on the west coast can defensively exhale in the direction of the plume to shunt it aside to Canada. Or Alaska. Or some other non-American place...
 03-18-2011, 05:35 AM #1345508  /  #303 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 Just watched a bit of the radioactive cloud pass over Denver. No big deal. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
03-18-2011, 12:47 PM   #1345635  /  #304
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 Originally Posted by F X http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...ml?ref=science lets you see the plume of radioactive particles getting ready to hit California Friday.
Yeah, but consider the dissipation gradient depicted. Researchers have calculated that a mother holding her baby transmits 12 million times the radioactivity than that plume will by the time it gets to CA.
Yes, but what about the radiation the baby is giving off. Ever wonder about that pink glow? And that stuff that comes out of their butts is definitely both toxic and radioactive.
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 03-18-2011, 01:13 PM #1345641  /  #305 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 The exodus of people from Japan may actually help the real estate markets elsewhere. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
03-18-2011, 01:34 PM   #1345651  /  #306
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03-18-2011, 02:21 PM   #1345683  /  #307
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http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/...terrorism.html
You gotta hope for a win at Bingo, FX, so you can afford those reading for comprehension lessons.

03-18-2011, 02:25 PM   #1345687  /  #308
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 There is also some radionuclide data coming out of station RN38, in Takasaki/Gunma. The station is operated by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) (see the long article I published yesterday on CTBTO data for more details on its data) and recorded many species of radionuclides on 15 March, including iodine-131 and Barium-140, with a preliminary estimate of the concentration of iodine-131 at 15 becquerels per cubic meter. That's a fairly low dose. Radioactive iodine-131 was also detected at the Petropavlovsk station in Russia, but at fourfold-lower levels. That should pose no threat to human health, though its very presence is troubling.
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegrea...st_maps_o.html
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 03-18-2011, 09:42 PM #1346174  /  #309 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 Watching the CNN (turns head and spits) reporting, they keep repeating that there is no way to tell what is going on. Then they show the video from the drone/helicopter yesterday, and try to analyze shaking low res video. Trying to determine what is there. Anyone with a brain is screaming at the TV, "Hey! Ever heard of an infrared camera? How about ultraviolet camera? I bet somebody even invented one that can detect x-rays, gamma rays and other radiation signatures. Why not fly one of them over the site?" I mean, we can spot and kill people from 30 miles away, at night, based on infrared imaging. But you can't get a fucking drone to fly overhead with a thermal imaging camera? Or a fucking zoom lens? Nobody on the whole planet has a device that measure gamma rays? Talk about being prepared for a nuclear disaster. "Hey Bob, we might have a leak somewhere" "Gee Joe, too bad nobody ever invented a device that can take pictures of anything other than visible light, then we could scan for it" "Yeah Bob, I knows. Lets get out the Geiger counters and walk around the whole plant a few times." "Someday we won't have to do this no more" "Yep, someday" __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
 03-18-2011, 09:50 PM #1346184  /  #310 akuaku Nocturnal Member Lord High Coder     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,047 Yeah, amazing, nobody has come up with a device that would detect radiation, except our village idiot. __________________ $\LARGE z_i=z_{i-1}^2+z_0 \hspace{20} \vspace{67}$
03-18-2011, 09:53 PM   #1346189  /  #311
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 Originally Posted by F X Watching the CNN (turns head and spits) reporting, they keep repeating that there is no way to tell what is going on. Then they show the video from the drone/helicopter yesterday, and try to analyze shaking low res video. Trying to determine what is there. Anyone with a brain is screaming at the TV, "Hey! Ever heard of an infrared camera? How about ultraviolet camera? I bet somebody even invented one that can detect x-rays, gamma rays and other radiation signatures. Why not fly one of them over the site?" I mean, we can spot and kill people from 30 miles away, at night, based on infrared imaging. But you can't get a fucking drone to fly overhead with a thermal imaging camera? Or a fucking zoom lens? Nobody on the whole planet has a device that measure gamma rays? Talk about being prepared for a nuclear disaster. "Hey Bob, we might have a leak somewhere" "Gee Joe, too bad nobody ever invented a device that can take pictures of anything other than visible light, then we could scan for it" "Yeah Bob, I knows. Lets get out the Geiger counters and walk around the whole plant a few times." "Someday we won't have to do this no more" "Yep, someday"

03-18-2011, 10:07 PM   #1346198  /  #312
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 Originally Posted by F X Watching the CNN (turns head and spits) reporting, they keep repeating that there is no way to tell what is going on. Then they show the video from the drone/helicopter yesterday, and try to analyze shaking low res video. Trying to determine what is there. Anyone with a brain is screaming at the TV, "Hey! Ever heard of an infrared camera? How about ultraviolet camera? I bet somebody even invented one that can detect x-rays, gamma rays and other radiation signatures. Why not fly one of them over the site?" I mean, we can spot and kill people from 30 miles away, at night, based on infrared imaging. But you can't get a fucking drone to fly overhead with a thermal imaging camera? Or a fucking zoom lens? Nobody on the whole planet has a device that measure gamma rays? Talk about being prepared for a nuclear disaster. "Hey Bob, we might have a leak somewhere" "Gee Joe, too bad nobody ever invented a device that can take pictures of anything other than visible light, then we could scan for it" "Yeah Bob, I knows. Lets get out the Geiger counters and walk around the whole plant a few times." "Someday we won't have to do this no more" "Yep, someday"
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 Northrop Drone Flies Over Japan Reactor to Record Data Mar 17, 2011 1:32 PM PT A Northrop Grumman Corp. (NOC) Global Hawk drone flew over Japan’s crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant today to collect data and imagery for the Japanese government, said U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff General Norton Schwartz. link
Theoretically it may be possible for F X to be a bigger dickhead, but practically it's difficult to imagine.
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 03-18-2011, 10:07 PM #1346199  /  #313 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 The real worry right now is coal. It's far more dangerous than the 6 reactors and 300 tons of fuel rods at risk. Or is it 500 tons? Nobody knows it seems. They also can't find the blueprints of the plant, so we have to guess where the fuel rods might be. And I checked, and it does appear that nobody in the entire world has any kind of remote controlled flying craft that can sense gamma radiation. Or x-rays, or ultraviolet light. But thanks to the wars, we do have the ability to view infrared, and they are diverting drones from the war effort to take a look at the plants in infrared. So the engineers and other trying to save the plant can figure out where the fuel rods are. It's so fucking reassuring to find out how prepared everybody is for a nuclear plant problem. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
03-18-2011, 10:37 PM   #1346217  /  #314
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 Originally Posted by F X And I checked, and it does appear that nobody in the entire world has any kind of remote controlled flying craft that can sense gamma radiation. Or x-rays, or ultraviolet light. But thanks to the wars, we do have the ability to view infrared, and they are diverting drones from the war effort to take a look at the plants in infrared.
Maybe if you looked somewhere besides the inside of your own rectum:

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 Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAVs) Unlike drones, which are autonomous vehicles not requiring human intervention, UAVs are aircraft that do not carry human operators but still rely on humans to operate. They include fixed and rotary wing configurations and can be remotely operated or flown with varying degrees of autonomy. UAVs carry a wide variety of sensor payloads: Electro-Optics (EO); Infra-Red (IR); Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR); Signal and Communications Intelligence (SIGINT and COMINT); Chemical, Biological and Radiation (CBR) detection systems; and radio relay equipment.
Big list of UAV sensor payloadss

People on the ground over there are doing everything humanly possible to bring a serious problem under control. Many are going to get radiation illnesses, some will probably die. But because they don't send you a personal email update every 15 minutes that means they're all sitting around with their thumbs up their asses doing nothing.

You really are a dickhead F X. Major league.
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03-19-2011, 01:19 AM   #1346336  /  #315
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 The Consequence of Cesium-137 Release A spent fuel pool would contain tens of million curies of Cs-137. Cs-137 has a 30 year half-life; it is relatively volatile and a potent land contaminant.
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/...terrorism.html
That's actually kind of reassuring. Let's say there were 100,000,000 curies of Cs-137. With a half life of 30 years, there'd be less than 1 curie left after 800 years, hardly a tick of the second hand on the geological timescale.
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 03-19-2011, 05:20 AM #1346519  /  #317 rmacfarl DAG and proud of it     Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: World's most liveable city - still! Posts: 10,021 tl;dr
 03-19-2011, 05:29 AM #1346524  /  #318 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 Good plan. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
 03-19-2011, 06:08 AM #1346561  /  #319 recursive prophet Recursions Analyst     Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Palomar Mountain hills near Escondido, Ca enjoying retirement and laughing at angry fools online. Posts: 4,306 I thought your post made some excellent points FX. Not at all surprising of course, that the storage can is kicked down the road. That's what we do. Look at the economy, and predictions for 5+% growth soon to arrive and save the day. The next generation will figure out what to do with those spent rods, right? And if it means a bit of risk so that we can keep air-conditioning 5k square foot homes in the desert, so be it. I mean, just how much sacrifice can we expect the public to endure? The bad news? Green tech ain't gonna get us even close in this decade. Takes a lot of oil to make it happen. Ever read Asimov's The Last Question? Short of a singularity it's pretty hard to escape entropy, even in fiction.
 03-19-2011, 06:14 AM #1346565  /  #320 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 It's simply amazing that just a little over a hundred years ago, nobody had power plants at all. Or cars. And yet, people lived. Oh sure not like the Gods we resemble, but then, they also didn't have to deal with Wotan actually rising up for real every now and then. Or knowing about every fucking disaster in the world as it happened. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .
03-19-2011, 10:08 AM   #1346640  /  #321
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 Originally Posted by F X This horrific accident, followed by a clusterfuck of unimaginable size, which now has the situation about as bad as it can get before there is nothing but the running and the screaming ...

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 I no longer support nuclear reactors for power plants.
Sat. March 6th, obscure discussion site, breaking news: Local tard no longer supports nuclear reactors for power plants. CNN is on it.

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 And I am adamant that we need to replace every last one of them
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 If we put our minds to it, we can probably figure out how to create safe power, and do it cheaper.
Yes, if only someone would have thought about that.
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03-19-2011, 02:58 PM   #1346798  /  #322
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 Originally Posted by F X This horrific accident, followed by a clusterfuck of unimaginable size, which now has the situation about as bad as it can get before there is nothing but the running and the screaming ...
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 "We sincerely apologize ... for causing such a great concern and nuisance," said a statement from Masataka Shimizu, the president of Tokyo Electric.
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03-19-2011, 03:00 PM   #1346800  /  #323
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 Originally Posted by F X This horrific accident...
It was a natural disaster, not an accident, that caused the present situation at Fukushima.
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03-19-2011, 03:03 PM   #1346802  /  #324
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 Originally Posted by recursive prophet I thought your post made some excellent points FX. Not at all surprising of course, that the storage can is kicked down the road. That's what we do. Look at the economy, and predictions for 5+% growth soon to arrive and save the day. The next generation will figure out what to do with those spent rods, right? And if it means a bit of risk so that we can keep air-conditioning 5k square foot homes in the desert, so be it. I mean, just how much sacrifice can we expect the public to endure? The bad news? Green tech ain't gonna get us even close in this decade. Takes a lot of oil to make it happen. Ever read Asimov's The Last Question? Short of a singularity it's pretty hard to escape entropy, even in fiction.
exactly.
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 Originally Posted by F_X It's simply amazing that just a little over a hundred years ago, nobody had power plants at all. Or cars. And yet, people lived.
"Boy, the way Glenn Miller played!

A little over a hundred years ago there were fewer than 20% as many people living as now. Plans to "return to simpler times" involve the pesky detail of getting rid of 5 or 6 billion excess people.

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 Oh sure not like the Gods we resemble...
I suspect that the lives of most of the 7 billion on the planet now are somewhat short of "divine", and not all that different from what they were a little over a hundred years ago.

 03-19-2011, 04:40 PM #1346860  /  #325 F X mostly harmless     Join Date: May 2009 Location: in a house Posts: 7,292 You say that using a worldwide instant communication network, typed out on a super computer of some kind, (it could be a mobile computer as well), likely sitting in a comfortable safe building with controlled temperature, free of fear from war or famine. I think we all want such a lifestyle to continue. __________________ . ..... ........ ..... .

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