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Old 06-24-2011, 03:47 PM   #1454727  /  #1
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The Talk Origins Archive Foundation is asking for donation so that it can attempt to buy the movie rights when it goes up for auction next week

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Old 06-24-2011, 03:55 PM   #1454737  /  #2
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That movie is a piece of poorly-written trash. Don't get me wrong, evolution is absolutely false and Darwinism is the cause of naziism. However, this movie was made as a joke to make ID proponents looks foolish. It was funded by the lamestream Jewish media. Nice try, Ben STEIN.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:03 PM   #1454745  /  #3
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Look at Ben Stien, piece of shit talking to Pat Robertson:

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I feel like this bid was poorly thought out. This is going to get spun as "omg evil evolutionists feel truly threatened and exposed by our movie and are trying to buy all rights to it to suppress it etc ad nauseum."

This is just gonna end up being really really bad publicity. Someone should have thought this through.
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yabut who else will want that piece of shit movie?
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:05 PM   #1454750  /  #6
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That movie is a piece of poorly-written trash. Don't get me wrong, evolution is absolutely false and Darwinism is the cause of naziism. However, this movie was made as a joke to make ID proponents looks foolish. It was funded by the lamestream Jewish media. Nice try, Ben STEIN.
Oh Barty Bart, you've gotta up your game. You're stuck on troll fail.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:06 PM   #1454752  /  #7
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:09 PM   #1454754  /  #8
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I feel like this bid was poorly thought out. This is going to get spun as "omg evil evolutionists feel truly threatened and exposed by our movie and are trying to buy all rights to it to suppress it etc ad nauseum."

This is just gonna end up being really really bad publicity. Someone should have thought this through.
IDiots and creatards would say that regardless, even after reading the reasons behind buying (like restoring the highly edited and quote-mined interviews) they would still say that.
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Discovery Institute, Rupert Murdoch, whoever it is that published that Pandas and People book, etc, etc, etc. Someone's going to buy it for the purpose of television distribution or "educational" distribution, especially to the homeschool market.

While I can understand TO wanting access to the production materials, and I can understand how those production materials could be useful in court, no matter what TO does, it'll be spun as an attempt to control free speech. If they buy it and continue to distribute it, it'll be seen as the pinnacle of hypocrisy. If they buy it and don't distribute it, they'll be seen as suppressing dissident views.

IMO, it would have been better to just stay away from this piece of shit. Or, if getting access to those production materials is so important, file a lawsuit against the production company to gain access to those materials.
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I feel like this bid was poorly thought out. This is going to get spun as "omg evil evolutionists feel truly threatened and exposed by our movie and are trying to buy all rights to it to suppress it etc ad nauseum."

This is just gonna end up being really really bad publicity. Someone should have thought this through.
IDiots and creatards would say that regardless, even after reading the reasons behind buying (like restoring the highly edited and quote-mined interviews) they would still say that.
The point is that buying the rights to the film looks seedy and it's going to look seedy to dispassionate observers. The general public wants to see things debated out in the open. They don't want to see an evolution advocacy group buy up rights to Creationist lit and suppress its distribution. THAT looks like evolutionary biologists have something to hide, and it's going to hurt the case of evolutionary biology in a big way.

This is a major fuckup.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:20 PM   #1454768  /  #12
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I don't think there are very many dispassionate observers, you're usually on one side of the issue or the other or the issue isn't even on your radar. No doubt it will be spun by the anti-reality crowd, no doubt at all.
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Old 06-24-2011, 04:34 PM   #1454792  /  #13
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I don't think there are very many dispassionate observers, you're usually on one side of the issue or the other or the issue isn't even on your radar. No doubt it will be spun by the anti-reality crowd, no doubt at all.
That's bullshit. I've had a number of discussions with everyday people who entered the conversation thinking that ID or Creationism was a valid viewpoint and a valid criticism of evolution, and left the discussion satisfied that evolution was the only scientific explanation of organismal diversity.

The key is that these discussions need to be had as discussions rather than as proclamations from an ivory tower. Most people aren't stupid. Most people simply haven't given a lot of thought to the origins of life. You have to address them as being intelligent but also uninterested in jargon, and you have to address them more or less as equals and let them talk about their own concerns and criticisms as well, because if you try to preach from some ivory tower they'll shut you out.
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:31 PM   #1454842  /  #14
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Why the fuck would they want to buy the rights to that stupid movie?
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Old 06-24-2011, 05:34 PM   #1454847  /  #15
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Old 06-24-2011, 07:02 PM   #1454926  /  #16
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Old 06-25-2011, 08:41 AM   #1455474  /  #17
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Why the fuck would they want to buy the rights to that stupid movie?
So that they can release it freely and have an archive of all the production materials, including the interviews in full.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:10 PM   #1455542  /  #18
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Why the fuck would they want to buy the rights to that stupid movie?
So that they can release it freely and have an archive of all the production materials, including the interviews in full.
And basically show Professor Marvel behind the curtain.
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My main concern is that the film's new owner will release a digitally enhanced version in which Dawkins shoots first.
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Well, it might be funny to put out a version with subtitles.
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Old 06-25-2011, 07:40 PM   #1455796  /  #22
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Why the fuck would they want to buy the rights to that stupid movie?
Well, it might be funny to put out a version with subtitles.
Double bills with Reefer Madness. There's already subtitled files for use with the movie giving out real facts.
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