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Old 07-07-2011, 10:59 AM   #1467249  /  #1
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Men who have wider faces relative to their facial height are more likely to engage in unethical behavior, according to a new study in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the Royal Society B.

The finding adds to the growing body of evidence that an individual's genes and hormonal development can influence that person's behavior. The research also supports that certain static physical characteristics — in this case, a man's facial bone structure — may serve as reliable visual cues to behavior.

"Other researchers have found that differences in facial width-to-height ratio (WHR) emerge around puberty," co-author Michael Haselhuhn told Discovery News. "As sex differences in facial structure, generally, are at least partially due to increased testosterone concentrations in boys, testosterone likely plays a role in determining facial WHR, specifically, as well."

Haselhuhn, an assistant professor in the Lubar School of Business at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, said the new data indicates high WHRs tend to be those greater than 1.9.

"Historical examples of men falling into this general range are John F. Kennedy (2.15), Richard Nixon (2.02), and Ken Lay (1.86)," he said, adding that Bill Clinton (2.07) and John Edwards (2.38) also exhibit the trait and "have notably been caught in ethically-compromising positions."

Low WHRs, on the other hand, tend to be lower than 1.7.

"Men with low WHRs, such as John Lennon (1.63) tend to have longer rather than narrower faces," he explained. "George 'I cannot tell a lie' Washington (1.75) and William Shakespeare (1.44) also have low WHR's, though it is difficult to gather precise measurements from painted portraits."
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Haselhuhn, M.P. and Wong, E.M. (2011) Bad to the bone: facial structure predicts unethical behaviour. Proceedings of the Royal Society B, advance online.

Researchers spanning many scientific domains, including primatology, evolutionary biology and psychology, have sought to establish an evolutionary basis for morality. While researchers have identified social and cognitive adaptations that support ethical behaviour, a consensus has emerged that genetically determined physical traits are not reliable signals of unethical intentions or actions. Challenging this view, we show that genetically determined physical traits can serve as reliable predictors of unethical behaviour if they are also associated with positive signals in intersex and intrasex selection. Specifically, we identify a key physical attribute, the facial width-to-height ratio, which predicts unethical behaviour in men. Across two studies, we demonstrate that men with wider faces (relative to facial height) are more likely to explicitly deceive their counterparts in a negotiation, and are more willing to cheat in order to increase their financial gain. Importantly, we provide evidence that the link between facial metrics and unethical behaviour is mediated by a psychological sense of power. Our results demonstrate that static physical attributes can indeed serve as reliable cues of immoral action, and provide additional support for the view that evolutionary forces shape ethical judgement and behaviour.
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Old 07-07-2011, 11:36 AM   #1467272  /  #3
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:44 PM   #1467364  /  #5
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:05 PM   #1467389  /  #6
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Men who have wider faces relative to their facial height are more likely to engage in unethical behavior, according to a new study in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the Royal Society B.
This isn't news. We've known this for a long time.


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Old 07-07-2011, 03:58 PM   #1467429  /  #7
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Cool, it looks like I will have to add a few sets of large vises for my Retrophrenology practice.
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:08 PM   #1467432  /  #8
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Horseshit.
Not necessarily.

If there is a genetic component to unethical trends in behavior (and IMO, everything we do is a combination of genetic inclination and environmental/societal influences), then that bahvior could also be correlated to the genetic trend of wider facial features.

Much like dogs. We didn't initially breed them for spots, curly hair, or other physical charactieristics, so much as how well they worked with/listened to people. The other stuff was coincidental, genetically speaking. (ref. The Trut Fox Study pdf)
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:29 AM   #1468136  /  #9
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So Lennon, Washington, and Shakespeare were paragons of virtue?

I can see that it is easy to measure facial dimensions, but how are they quantifying ethical behavior?

Lennon was a wife beater, Washington was no stranger to deception (how could one be a general in wartime otherwise -- "I cannot tell a lie" was a 19th century invention), and Shakespeare is almost completely unknown as a person.
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Old 07-08-2011, 05:40 AM   #1468141  /  #10
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Another half baked study at someone else's expense.
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Old 07-08-2011, 12:51 PM   #1468202  /  #11
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"Historical examples of men falling into this general range are John F. Kennedy (2.15), Richard Nixon (2.02), and Ken Lay (1.86)," he said, adding that Bill Clinton (2.07) and John Edwards (2.38) also exhibit the trait and "have notably been caught in ethically-compromising positions."
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Old 07-08-2011, 01:24 PM   #1468210  /  #12
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Let's see a study of how people with tall, handsome faces behave towards people with homely short, wide faces.
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Old 07-08-2011, 01:27 PM   #1468212  /  #13
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Across two studies, we demonstrate that men with wider faces (relative to facial height) are more likely to explicitly deceive their counterparts in a negotiation, and are more willing to cheat in order to increase their financial gain.
Seems a very narrow definition to me. Generalizing this result to other behaviors of ethical and moral concern is probably a mistake.
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:13 PM   #1468229  /  #14
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:23 PM   #1468268  /  #15
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Across two studies, we demonstrate that men with wider faces (relative to facial height) are more likely to explicitly deceive their counterparts in a negotiation, and are more willing to cheat in order to increase their financial gain.
Seems a very narrow definition to me. Generalizing this result to other behaviors of ethical and moral concern is probably a mistake.

Way narrow. There just seems to be a whole fleet of variables unaccounted for.
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Weston Price took measurements of the facial structures of thousands in many regions of the world. Endocrine disruptors aside, the primary determinant of facial width is nutrition, or more accurately, malnutrition, since properly fed humans and any other mammal exhibit surprising similarities in bone structure with their kin. People with broad faces are people with more fully developed facial structures, truer phenotype expression. People who are well-fed enough to exhibit wide faces tend also to receive nutrients sufficient for proper nervous and neurological functioning, and for men, this proper functioning includes the propensity for violent behavior. Sometimes the natural behavior of humans would be considered criminal in modern society, but whether this is a defect in man or his society is a different matter. We should also avoid confusing behavior and culturally-defined crime when asking whether or not people with less testosterone are better suited for modern society.

You can read more about behavior, facial structure and nutrition in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. A difficult pill to swallow if you, like me and the majority of people on modern diets, have incomplete facial development, but it is old and proven science, and don't suggest ridiculous conclusions like the topic article.
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So, Proc. B. is now taking the Biology Letters model.
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Weston Price took measurements of the facial structures of thousands in many regions of the world. Endocrine disruptors aside, the primary determinant of facial width is nutrition, or more accurately, malnutrition, since properly fed humans and any other mammal exhibit surprising similarities in bone structure with their kin. People with broad faces are people with more fully developed facial structures, truer phenotype expression. People who are well-fed enough to exhibit wide faces tend also to receive nutrients sufficient for proper nervous and neurological functioning, and for men, this proper functioning includes the propensity for violent behavior. Sometimes the natural behavior of humans would be considered criminal in modern society, but whether this is a defect in man or his society is a different matter. We should also avoid confusing behavior and culturally-defined crime when asking whether or not people with less testosterone are better suited for modern society.

You can read more about behavior, facial structure and nutrition in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. A difficult pill to swallow if you, like me and the majority of people on modern diets, have incomplete facial development, but it is old and proven science, and don't suggest ridiculous conclusions like the topic article.
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you want to know a really good predictor of unethical behavior?

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